A bit of a disaster today all in. To lose 36 points to a HKR team missing a lot of players is unforgivable. We need to seriously work on defence. The team is capable of great defence as the second play off second half against Wigan last season showed.

Sounds like we have a few problems from what the other posters are saying. I was never convinced by the Lance signing. Not that anybody could be blamed for this but if we had had the foresight to see how Gaskell, Lomax, Wheeler and Makinson have developed I am pretty sure we would never have got him, especially on a four year deal. The money should have been used on buying a replacement for Jammer. Unfortunately we are where we are and we are just going to have to run with it

As I have said time and again on here, when Gaskell does not play we really miss him, and for me should be one of the first names on the teamsheet.

All in all we have to be happy with a point because it could have and probably should have been a whole lot worse.

Not going to go into full knee-jerk mode after a draw at a place we usually lose in the middle of February. Defense was obviously shocking, but it is 4/5 months before that will start to matter as many teams have shown before. If it is still so bad then I'll start to panic.

If memory serves me right, I remember when we lost about 4 in a row early season under Anderson culminating in getting tonked away at Castleford in the snow. It was absolutely freezing and I was fuming, but we won the Challenge cup and made the Grand Final so lesson learned.

Did anyone who has commented actually go, do we know for certain we missed gaskell???

I'm a huge Gaskell fan, but I don't think he could have done much about our defense and with out eye witness reports the radio is not enough to go on.

Both sides played sum good rugby but also sum defensive shockers,really we were lucky to get the 1 point as a rule foster doesn't miss the goals he did today, Ano we have a few players out injured but the players we have to replace them did us proud today, I think a draw was a fair result to be honest and it was a cracking Game.

According to 'Official St.Helens RLFC' on facebook, Hohaia was playing class and I know he set up a try for Flannery. All I can say on that really.

To be fair, Rovers didnt appear to miss Dobson and Green as much as we normally would because our forwards totally dominated yours. If I was a Saints fan I wouldn't be so bothered about who is playing fb or so and worry about where your go-forward is going to come from other than Roby.
I've never seen a weaker Saints pack.

Forwards have certainly not impressed yet.

That's the worst defence from a Saints side I've seen in a long time. I'm disserpointed, thought you were there for the taking and considering we ended up playing with our 4th and 5th choice half backs, we cut you open quite easily. God knows how much we'd of beaten you by if we had a fully fit squad. I'd be worried, if I were a saints fan. Play like that for the majority of the season, then expect to win nothing.

We kept Roby pretty quiet.
Wilkin, Flannery and Soliola were disappointing too, and as for Perry, he was rubbish.
I thought Saints looked very dangerous with the ball, but your defending was lacking today, as was ours at times.

Sky have messed up today though, they could have had our end to end cracker on, instead were stuck watching Dull and Broncos struggling.

Sounded like a distinctly unimpressive performance. However, despite being in need of a shake up, we've picked up five points from an available 6. Not a bad return at all, especially since one of those games has been at a ground where we always get beaten, and also since we traditionally start slowly.

I just hope Gaskell is in the side for this tough run-in we have coming up.

As a HKR Fan I thought our forwards were always on top until the last 5 minutes. The worrying thing from a saints perspective is that it seemed everytime we went down your end of the field, we scored.

One of the most entertaining games i've seen at Craven Park for a long time. That game should have been on Sky not Hull V London played at the library.