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I`m coming back to the UK to watch a few games and have been thinking about England best 17. This is the 17 that can take on the Kiwis and the Aussies. See below and post yours:-

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Tom Briscoe
3. Jack Reed
4. Ryan Atkins
5. Micheal Shenton
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Johnny Lomax
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Gareth Carvell
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Chris Heighington
13. Sean O Loughlin

14. Kevin Sinfield
15. Adrian Morley
16. Eorl Crabtree
17. Danny Brough

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Quote: lothlorian "i started an exact on our board last week, id make a few amendments to my choices due to reed opting for england etc.

Tomkins
Charnley
Reed
Atkins
Hall
Widdop
Brough
Morley
Roby
Graham
Ellis
Westwood
Lockers

Robinson
Carvell
Crabtree
JJB

On the fringes i would look at Griffin, Bailey, J Tomkins, Briscoe, Wilkin. Griffin is a tough no nonsense prop but i kust cant decide whether he has the quality for interbational rugby. Bailey is not the hard man Leeds fans like to think but he is very good at niggling, winding up the opposition and putting them off their game, dragging them into an arm wrestle. we may need that cos we cant compete skill wise. Tomkins for me just doesnt have the temprement yet and mature as a player. Wilkin along the sames lines for me, never rated him, solid enough but winges too much like sinfield and sometimes think he just needs to get on with it. Briscoe for me is as much as liability defensively as Charnely but Charnely has the little bit of an x factor. we are weak on the wings but Josh edges it for me.'"



Briscoe weak defensively???? Not even close....

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Quote: Wilde 3 "Briscoe weak defensively???? Not even close....'"


the above tackles percentage shows him as the same percentage as Charnley and he is always described as being weak defensively. I made my post before those stats were posted but to say he is equally bad was a pretty good call. We can talk about positional play but Charnley has ultimately being playing outside a second rower learning a new trade so at times has been exposed by Joels positional play. I stand by my comment they are as bad as each other defensively

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Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid. Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal. Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif



1 - Tomkins
2 - Charnley
3 - Reed
4 - Yeaman
5 - Briscoe
6 - Widdop
7 - Lomax
8 - Morley
9 - Roby
10 - Graham
11 - Ellis
12 - Westwood
13 - O'Loughlin

14 - Griffin (prop)
15 - Mossop (2nd row)
16 - Carvell (prop)
17 - Bridge (Utility)

Brough is out of form, Atkins will cop out against tough opposition like last year

Peacock, JJB, Wilkin, Sinfield have had their chances and need to move over.

If we are to beat the Aussies (who are very drilled in defence) we need to offload and throw it about a bit but with McBanana in charge they will do 5 drives and a kick and play as if its a league game.

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1. Tomkins
2. Hall
3. Reed
4. Atkins
5. Briscoe
6. Widdop
7. Brough
8. Peacock
9. Roby
10. Graham (c)
11. Ellis
12. Manu
13. O'Loughlin

14. Robinson
15. Carrvell
16. Morley
17. J Tomkins

18. Mossop
19. McIlorum
20. Lomax
21. Wilkin
22. Jones-Buchanan
23. Westwood (if fit)
24. Charnley
25. Crabtree

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Quote: WakeyManDan8 "1. Tomkins
2. Hall
3. Reed
4. Atkins
5. Briscoe
6. Widdop
7. Brough
8. Peacock
9. Roby
10. Graham (c)
11. Ellis
12. Manu
13. O'Loughlin

14. Robinson
15. Carrvell
16. Morley
17. J Tomkins

18. Mossop
19. McIlorum
20. Lomax
21. Wilkin
22. Jones-Buchanan
23. Westwood (if fit)
24. Charnley
25. Crabtree'"


if westwood is fit he has to be first choice, arguably the best second rower in the comp. Mcilorum should be no where near an England shirt and thats coming form a Wigan supporter. and Graham shouldnt be captain, doesnt have the temprement for it. peacock, morley and lockers would all the captains armband above graham for me.

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