Touchy aren’t we!

Thank God you are not paid to develop the Saints squad, couldn’t imagine your very good at motivating people.

I do not like the derogatory terms you use when referring to our youngster perhaps this is a reflection on you rather than them but I don’t think there is any need for it.

I am of the opinion that Ashurst and Dixon should be dual registered or out on loan, why rotate Magennis,Dixon & Ashurst and play them for so few minutes – Dixon was developing last year under Potter and as most people state on here he looks to be going backwards – why not send him and Ashurst out on loan or dual registration and see what they can do when they are playing more minutes, I for one just do not understand the reasoning behind this as it is not beneficial for the club or the youngsters.

Jacob Emmitt came on leaps and bounds playing at Leigh, on dual registration, and now he is playing regular first team rugby albeit for another Super League club but I am in agreement we should have kept him. The kids that come through the academy are on pennies in comparison to the aussies, they are well worth a gamble.

So after all your detective work you agree with me

The dual registration system is something we should use more I'll agree with you on that one.

Which username did you use before this one?

Oh it took me all of about 2 minutes, if you click on search and then enter Emmitt as a topic you can track back your comments very quickly, but I also have a very good memory.
I have never disagreed with you regarding the dual registration/loan system but I don't like the way you are so derogatory to the younster.

There are several members of my family that are registered both on here and redvee but you probably already know that but nice try to deflect.

I will probably be retrieving this post again in the near future

It is never a case of yes or no but how much money. Emmitt is a good player but Saints cannot afford to pay silly amounts of money for players, especially when at the time they were trying hard to keep Roby, Graham and Eastmond. Castleford really wanted him so they stumped up the cash.

Our front row is ten times better than last year down to the signings of LMS and Perry. Even though they have not played as much as we wanted they have still been better than Bryn and Fozzard. Emmitt was a stand out player in 2010 but in a well beated front row. It is hard to offer good money to player who plays in a teams weakest position. Jake also probably knew that he was likely to be 4th/5th in the pecking order at Saints while at Cas' he is 1st. More money and regular game time is a no brainer, so you cannot blame him for that.

Paul Johnson is a solid player and we already have plenty of them so I have no issues with him going.

I am surprised more people do not talk about Chris Dean who did very little wrong at Saints and would have made an excellent Lee Gilmour-esk second rower. Jamie Ellis also was only given 1 fisrst team game after being very strong in the u-20s. These two players are more likely to come back and bite us on the backside than Emmitt and Johnson.

The bottom line is that there is a production line of young players coming through and the club need to make quick decisions about how good a lot of these players are going to become. We gave Ste Tyrer too bigger chance at the expense of Tom Armstrong who at the moment looks a better talent. We could end up losing him at the end of the year also due to his lack of game time.

We need to give players a fair go then assess them after a couple of years rather than uming and ahing and creating a log jam. I would like to see guys like Greenwood and Hale given a go after some very below par performances from Ashusrt and Dixon for example.

I'm very sorry to hear that I've upset you. I will refrain from abusing the youth players in future (Most of the time).



Am I missing something? Are you famous? Should I know who you and your family are?

I agree with you on Emmit and Johnson, but not on Dean. He is never going to be anywhere near Gilmour's standard, and will probably carve out a career at the lower end of Super League at best. He's a good earnest player, but not top club standard. As for Ellis, I'm led to believe that he was released due to circumstances entirely of his own making.

To be fair to Saddened, he does not keep his abuse focused on youth players, he has a more shot gun approach that catches all and sundrey.

I would have kept Emmitt if possible, but like has already been said, was the money there to keep him? Perry was a top signing, but has just been injured since basically day 1. LMS again was a good signing. Cloughy was ahead of Emmitt. Surely no one is suggesting TP or Graham should have been thrown out to balance the books?

As for keeping Emmitt over Dixon, Ashurst and Megennis. Well I don't think Megennis had had much game time and Dixon looked pretty good last year.

With Graham, TP Clough , LMS and Perry, that's 5 good props, most season's that would have been a great front row, with 4 in most weeks and 1 for rotation. However maybe the planning last year needed to account for Royce playing 3 props from the start. Which begs the question of who was in charge of recruitment and retention during the transition from Potter to Royce. If Royce needed 5 props every match rather than the standard 4 that most SL clubs run with, then we should have been looking for more Props than 2nd rowers.