I didn't say it was Simmons fault that it's dragged on in to the season. It's the clubs fault for poor planning and poor timing.

Saints should have put the offer on the table to Pryce, Graham and eastmond after the grand final and give the players to December to decide. If they didn't accept then it would have been done and dusted and could have got on with playing rugby.

Quote SomersetSaint="SomersetSaint""When you give 18 points away you need a lot of things to go in your favour... once we scored and got on top they got an intercept and that was the end of the game. You can't consistently win games from 18 down.*" That is very negative, can you hear Milward saying that? What happened to us being the comeback kings, and never write us off? With an attitude like that, its no wonder the team's heads went down. www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/646'" *correction, 20 points down.

Quote SomersetSaint="SomersetSaint""When you give 18 points away you need a lot of things to go in your favour... once we scored and got on top they got an intercept and that was the end of the game. You can't consistently win games from 18 down.*" That is very negative, can you hear Milward saying that? What happened to us being the comeback kings, and never write us off? With an attitude like that, its no wonder the team's heads went down. www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/646'" *correction, 20 points down.

What worries me is in the press statement Simmons gave he said he was out coached.Now Simmons has been a head coach before,hed been assistant coach to wests for a while and he was assistant coach in the national setup yet the quins coach has coached at university level,conference and assistant at quins for a little bit.

Im not writing him off just yet but things need to change soon.On paper we have a better squad than last year we replaced the players that left with better ones ( K.C. being the exeption ).We need a playmaker,no idea were we are going to get one from though but we are crying out for one.

Them type of players are near impossible to replace but we should have tried to get the best quality possible rather than just taking a wild punt that these kids turn out world beaters.

Them players have got to be replaced with senior experienced players with leadership qualities.

I think you've been reading an imaginary press statement. He said that he needed to take responsibility for coaching in terms of the team's attitude. He didn't at any time say he was out coached. He wasn't. But we were out played, that's for sure.

Youve got to admit it, we are looking like a poorly coached team.

No, I don't think so. I think we are looking at a team that is handicapped by not having strike players or pace in the backline, neither of which is a coaching issue. We came back against Wigan, we beat Salford (although most people do, so that doesn't really count), we held on with two subs in the second half against a fired up Dragons, having produced some beautifully worked tries (I saw the highlights). No, I don't think we look like a poorly coached side. We look a confused one, one that has too many injuries and too few players who can make a difference.

We lacked pace and strike players for the last few years to be honest. We look like a team with no idea. We look like a team that don't want to tackle. We look like a team with no direction.

That's because there is no Cunningham AND no halfbacks. With Cunningham still around we could just about get away with no halfbacks. Without them both and we look, well, like we look.

The team we had out last night and against Warrington was good enough to beat both.

I'm very worried about how poor we look.