Ray taught me at Cowley Grammar from 1971 to 1976 both in the classroom and on the Rugby pitch. This was the time of "never the two codes will meet". He never once showed bias to either code and even had RL Pros (Ian MacCorquadale for one) helping him coach there. He brought a lot of lads into the school from League to play Union (Ian Potter and Mick Burke for eg) and then helped with their entry into the Pro Game. He arranged Half time RU 7 a sides at Saints v Wigan Games.

He deserves his MBE for his Services to School Sport in the St Helens area alone, never mind anything he has done on TV. A lot of lads owe an awful lot to "Uncle Earie" especially those that were fortunate enough to go on the many Globe Trotting Tours he arranged. The guy is a star and anybody who says different doesn't know him.

'Ms' know it all, if you don't mind.

So I have been told by Many People through private messages! and more about you! you do not mention the serious accusation you make of me being a "liar" then?? which is libel! be it Ms or Mr Know it all in your case Ms!

Propogandas, how do you provide proof of conversations please? I know and I am trained in media be it internet and legal precedents, the fact is Under 16 schoolboy's at Cowley at that time wanted to play rugby league, they should have been allowed the freedom to make that choice and their parents! not be told they Would not play for the school if they did, as I pointed out staff at that time at West Park were even more close to Union but never once objected and we even assisted them when possible, ie again Andy Platt played for us with about 4 other players from West Park because it was the game of the town they were born and brought up in!

I dont know, thats upto you, but at the moment you are putting the RLFANS website at risk with these libellous accusations.

We have had the debate, I have expressed my personal opinions! which sadly some people have called me a "Liar" perhaps it is best to lock the thread!