The title of the thread is tactics, and I think we have lost two games due to some of these. Salford and now Hull..

His tactics against Leeds were pretty good.

You've got to play with the cards you are dealt with, Mick Potter had to put out that team because we have no alternative props or scrum half to chooose from.
Our biggest concern is the number of tries conceded from kicks this season it must be close on 80% at the moment, I reckon 4 out of the 5 games we've lost is not from opposition running plays but from kicks.
Big Tony and Maurie would be a big loss for any side, also Jammer had to play the full 80 mins. Potters tactics will be very limited when you have 6 or 7 players out.

I'm not saying injuries are the reason we lost, i wasn't there so i don't know the reason we lost the game, but to blame Potter after every single loss is getting boring. I'm not a fan of Potters, but theres not much he can do with key players out and to moan because hes had to play a player out of position is stupid, IMO.

What quote are you referring to?

If Potter has said hes pleased with the effort, there might have been a lot of effort, that doesn't mean hes pleased that we blew a 20 point lead. I'm not happy we blew a 20 point lead, but theres other factors and blaming Potter for everything doesn't wash.

getting back to the theme potters tactics.

....WHAT TACTICS????

Potter isn't blamed for every loss. The players' performances are generally blamed for a loss. To give away a 20 point lead, to be beaten 21-4 in the second half after winning the first 22-6 is very, very poor. We lost Roby to injury on the 53rd minute, which will not have helped us, but the reports coming through were of a steady loss, not a sudden crisis. Which goes to either players' performances or coaching tactics, or both. But elsewhere I've read that we had only one prop on the bench against a pack as big as Hull. Since we've now lost twice to Hull, my guess is that Potter doesn't get his tactics right against Hull. Reports also said we were forced into many repeat sets during the second half, which suggests we might have been kicked to death. But I don't know as I wasn't at the game either. What I do know, though, is that to say that he was happy with the effort put in by his players in losing such a commanding lead is very poor by Potter. And it was on the Sky report during the red button show that I heard that.

Had we been neck and neck with Hull throughout the match well, I wouldn't be saying it was poor of Potter to say what he did about the effort. But since we gave away such a big lead, I am.

And I am not blaming Potter for everything. I just question his choice of bench, if what I have read elsewhere is true, and I don't respect him for his comments about giving away such a huge lead now that we are moving towards the business end of the season.

I have missed any reference to Tony P being injured. Also, where was Fozzard and Emmitt? Were they on the bench?

why whats up with tony p now?..bloody hell this get's worse.

Just because we lost a 20 point lead, doesn't mean there was a lack of effort by the players. Things might have gone against us in the second half, and i suggest they did when we lost Roby. A few Hull fans have said that changed the game in there favour, things like that happen, it doesn't mean that there was a lack of effort by the players.

We blew a lead by 20 points, thats not good, agreed, however, that doesn't mean there was a lack of effort by the players or coaching staff for that matter, it could well mean that things went against us, and the momentum was with Hull and we couldn't handle them, after all we had a lot of young players on the pitch tonight.

I honestly don't think it was a lack of effort from your players at all, it was just one of those games that had a cupfinal/playoff feel, with both sides were throwing out risky passes and playing expansive rugby.

yes in effect Saints 'blew' a 20 point lead, but as I said in the other thread, the quality of Long's kicking game can't be discredited, he pinned Saints back and we also kicked 2 40/20's which contributed to Saints tiring more than Hull in the 2nd half.

I can understand why without seeing the game you'd be disappointed...but rugby league was the real winner this evening IMO. Miles better than the games full of on the floor 'wrestling' SL's been serving up recently.

No, of course not. We let in how many tries in 30 minutes? Our defence was impeccable, clearly. Don't be so daft. Of course there was lack of effort - at the very least, there was a lack of defensive effort. Either that or we once again totally failed to deal with kicks. In which case, Potter had better get off his butt and teach the lads how to deal with kicks. Isn't that the kind of thing coaches do? Teach stuff to players?

I've very little respect for Potter and his bland statements. Give me some honesty any day of the week.