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| I think Kyle is an awesome talent but I have consistently believed he is not an organiser. I think where he plays ultimately will depend upon (a) whether leading the pack around the park is in fact a learned skill or whether it is something inborn which needs developing and/or (b) whether someone else can be the organiser for Saints if Kyle does not learn how to organise but is still playing at 7. For this season, since we appear to have committed to him playing at 7, we could follow Leeds' model and have an organising 13. But either way I think Stevo was right: Kyle was too static on Saturday and until the final 10 minutes, as a result, his potent threat was totally nullified by Hull. Stevo was also right on Friday night during the red button show when he said he hoped Potter wouldn't be 'daft enough' to limit Kyle, believing instead that he should be set free to roam. I agree entirely with that view. Kyle's talent, pace and excellent kicking game are all put to best use when he can move all over the park. I think that is why we saw him at his best during the Grand Final and also when the game plan was abandoned in the second half of the international against Australia at Wigan. He was a free spirit and that's what he needs to be.
I don't know whether fullbacks have a kicking game? I can't say I've noticed. But if they don't then he shouldn't play at fullback because when he gets it right, his in-field kicking is amazing.
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "
He's had one good game at leeds in the CC. One good game in 3yrs imo is not good enough.
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| Quote: St pete "He's had one good game at leeds in the CC. One good game in 3yrs imo is not good enough.'"
I think you're being a touch harsh on him there.
He's had many a good game, he's just not directed the team around like he did that day, but when you're being played as a running second rower like he has been how can you be expected to?
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "I think you're being a touch harsh on him there.
He's had many a good game, he's just not directed the team around like he did that day, but when you're being played as a running second rower like he has been how can you be expected to?'"
I am prob being little harsh on wilkin.
To be honest i just don't rate him or like him.
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| Why can't Eastmond make a great scrum half? Comparing him at his age now to Lance Todd Legend at the same point in his career and it's Eastmond all the way for me. His kicking and passing game is superior to Long at the same stage and although he is a way from being the directing scrum half he has less to go than Lance Todd Legend did. In fact when Long first arrived and probably for the first four years or so the major criticism of him was in inability to manage a game and Saints around the field.
When Millward arrived it was noticeable how much Lance Todd Legend's game improved. With good coaching (and there's no reason to doubt Potter given what he did with Bosc and the Catalans half back's games) Eastmond will grow into the role. It's easier coaching that side of the game than it is improving passing, kicking and attacking the line. Certainly in the latter aspect Eastmond has that in buckets and you can't coach speed like Eastmond's either.
Eastmond and Tomkins at GB half backs for the next seven or eight years? Could be the best pairing we've seen in the modern era and will certainly be the best since Lance Todd Legend and Tommy God.
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| You have to give Kyle and the other young players time to develop their games.
Even the likes of Andrew Johns werent legends at 20 years old. Infact Johns was 21 before he started to get any sort of recognition. He was helped of course in developing his game by his half back partner and older brother Mathew Johns. Infact Andrew Johns was around 24-25 before he started picking up the major player awards in Australia eg "Dally M"
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