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| Quote saint at wire="saint at wire"Because the club mistakenly believed (I say this in in reprospect obviously) that he would recover past glories. No one was more disappointed than me that he never again became what he used to be i.e. the best loose in SL, possibly the world.
If they had known that he was never going to fully recover any decent form, they would have binned him.
So.....your point being?'"
Does the same not apply to JC? He was one of the best props in the world when he signed for Saints and anybody that knows anything about the game knows this.
In 2006 he was awesome, doing basically what Graham is doing now. In 2007 he was very good even though he had a few injuries. 2008 he missed most of the season due to injury but was good in the games he played. 2009 he received the injury that has ended his career at Saints.
Personally I am gutted to see him go, when he was fit he was one of the best props in SL, he got through a load of work and always had an offload waiting for someone. I just hope we replace him with someone as good if not better
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| Quote saint at wire="saint at wire"Sorry. I give JC respect for his good times with us, but I think he has been a drain on our very finaite resources for a long time.
Sorry but I'm thinking: knackered prop going = new not knackered prop arriving.
As I have said earlier; more than happy to keep KC, SL and Gilly for as long they don't become a drain on our club which is unfortunately losing a lot of £'s each year.
What if we had kept him on for another year? Would there be applause on this forum - I think not.'"
Then why for fecks sake did you say; 'Goodbye and good riddance'. If that is not disrespect I don't know what is.
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| Quote Saint Rabban="Saint Rabban"Then why for fecks sake did you say; 'Goodbye and good riddance'. If that is not disrespect I don't know what is.'"
Because the lad is a muppet. I as a Wigan fan am sad to see him go out on such a note god knows why your own fans show the players such disrespect.
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| Quote saint_me="saint_me"Does the same not apply to JC? He was one of the best props in the world when he signed for Saints and anybody that knows anything about the game knows this.
In 2006 he was awesome, doing basically what Graham is doing now. In 2007 he was very good even though he had a few injuries. 2008 he missed most of the season due to injury but was good in the games he played. 2009 he received the injury that has ended his career at Saints.
Personally I am gutted to see him go, when he was fit he was one of the best props in SL, he got through a load of work and always had an offload waiting for someone. I just hope we replace him with someone as good if not better'"
No it doesn't. And although I adored Scully, in the end I thought we kept him too long and was given too many chances to recover his fitness. Everyone - including himself - could see he wasn't the player he was.
In JC's case he was never of that quality for us IMO. My apparent disrespect for JCcomes from his being non productive through no fault of his own and holding us back in signing a new prop because of salary cap restrictions.
My major gripe is keeping perenially injured players but letting go SL and Gilly when (if you believe the forums on here) most people believe they were good for 2 more years.
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| Quote Saint Rabban="Saint Rabban"Then why for fecks sake did you say; 'Goodbye and good riddance'. If that is not disrespect I don't know what is.'"
Then you are someone who can't be bothered to read susequent posts: -
Quote Saint RabbanSorry. I give JC respect for his good times with us, but I think he has been a drain on our very finite resources for a long time.'"
Thats the best I can give him which is slightly better than the "tribute" our chairman gave him.
I am not a fan nor was never was a fan of him.
I do wish him the best of luck and if I met him I would sincerely thank him for his efforts with us. I am not going to miss him though or cry into my cornflakes.
He will never be in our hall of fame.
No point in me crying fecking crocodile tears is there?
If I've upset anyone out there I am sorry but there is no need for personal abuse because I hold a contrary opinion or because I am not showing other peoples ideas of "respect".
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| Quote saint at wire="saint at wire"Then you are someone who can't be bothered to read susequent posts: -
Thats the best I can give him which is slightly better than the "tribute" our chairman gave him.
I am not a fan nor was never was a fan of him. I do wish him the best of luck and if I met him I would sincerely thank him for his efforts with us. I am not going to miss him though or cry into my cornflakes.
He will never be in our hall of fame.
No point in me crying fecking crocodile tears is there?
If I've upset anyone out there I am sorry but there is no need for personal abuse because I hold a contrary opinion or because I am not showing other peoples ideas of "respect".'"
Speaks volumes about your level of knowledge and your subsequent attitude.
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| Quote jonh="jonh"Because the lad is a muppet. [uI as a Wigan fan am sad [/uto see him go out on such a note god knows why your own fans show the players such disrespect.'"
"Son, lad or muppet" as you have called me (without any insults from me) wishes you would stay with the cherry and s*ite forum.
You desribe yourself wonderfully in your c*appy posts.
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| Quote jonh="jonh"Speaks volumes about your level of knowledge and your subsequent attitude.'"
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| Quote saint at wire="saint at wire"No it doesn't. And although I adored Scully, in the end I thought we kept him too long and was given too many chances to recover his fitness. Everyone - including himself - could see he wasn't the player he was.
In JC's case he was never of that quality for us IMO. My apparent disrespect for JCcomes from his being non productive through no fault of his own and holding us back in signing a new prop because of salary cap restrictions.
My major gripe is keeping perenially injured players but letting go SL and Gilly when (if you believe the forums on here) most people believe they were good for 2 more years.'"
Sorry but I don't agree, JC when fit was very very good for us.
If SL lasts 2 more years I will be very suprised.
Gilly is a good second row forward, but with Soliola coming over to play at centre and already having Wilkin, TP, Flannery, Moore/Roby/KC (as i believe one of these 3 will play at 13 next seasn) we have 4 players playing for 3 spots, add to that Ashurst, Dixon, Clough, this then in reality is 7 players playing for 3 spots. Therefore someone has to go and unfortunatley it is Gilly on this occasion.
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| Quote saint at wire="saint at wire""Son, lad or muppet" as you have called me (without any insults from me) wishes you would stay with the cherry and s*ite forum.
You desribe yourself wonderfully in your c*appy posts.'"
fair play you are entitled to your opinion, but i have to ask why you were not a fan of his?
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| Quote saint_me="saint_me"Sorry but I don't agree, JC when fit was very very good for us.
If SL lasts 2 more years I will be very suprised.
Gilly is a good second row forward, but with Soliola coming over to play at centre and already having Wilkin, TP, Flannery, Moore/Roby/KC (as i believe one of these 3 will play at 13 next seasn) we have 4 players playing for 3 spots, add to that Ashurst, Dixon, Clough, this then in reality is 7 players playing for 3 spots. Therefore someone has to go and unfortunatley it is Gilly on this occasion.'"
No problem with what you say but don't agree and I think we will see Gilly doing well next year and SL can only improve HFC can't he?
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