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| Quote rlcoach="rlcoach"Great try to win the game, and some nice touches. However he was largely anonymous at times he should have been controlling the game. How many times did we mess up the last play in a set?
Pryce has too much weight on his shoulders. Eastmond has to take on more responsibility. A good learning experience today.'"
pryce has too much weight on his shoulders, very bold statement !
pryce was missing in most of our games first half of season. And please don't give me any bull about a court case because i will puke.
Both defenses were well on top on friday, eastmond scored the match winner with a touch of brilliance, good work imo.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"I expect him to perform as he has done in other matches, when he hasn't been quiet, that's why I referred to consistency! If he is going to be one of our key players I expect him to perform in his role consistently enough for us to be able to have confidence in his ability, both now and in the future. I'm not saying he should never drop a ball or make a wrong decision or pass inappropriately: judgment for those things will come in time. But he cannot spend 75 minutes NOT probing and seeking out and doing all that scrum half stuff, and just do it once towards the end. IMO that isn't good enough for the pivotal role he is going to play. Next week he may be all over the place doing his thing and if so, great. He needs to be doing that every week. He won't be as effective every week and he will make errors of judgement, etc, as he learns his trade. But he does need to be showing a consistently noticeable presence in every match for him to deserve the shirt after Longy has gone IMO.'"
That's an utterly ridiculous post.
You appear to be expecting a 20 year old player, who has been given more responsibility than ever before to be playing with a 30 year olds experience.
You show no consideration for the fact that he's probably never played in a game with that intensity before and been expected to be any more than a support player.
He does need to learn how to influence games more consistently, but that is the point, he has to learn, as in he doesn't have the experience to do it yet. To [iexpect[/i him to be able to do that at this point in his career is either indicative of ridiculous, and unreasonable, expectation or a lack of understanding of the nature of sport.
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| Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"That's an utterly ridiculous post.
You appear to be expecting a 20 year old player, who has been given more responsibility than ever before to be playing with a 30 year olds experience.
You show no consideration for the fact that he's probably never played in a game with that intensity before and been expected to be any more than a support player.
He does need to learn how to influence games more consistently, but that is the point, he has to learn, as in he doesn't have the experience to do it yet. To [iexpect[/i him to be able to do that at this point in his career is either indicative of ridiculous, and unreasonable, expectation or a lack of understanding of the nature of sport.'" ere ere
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| Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"That's an utterly ridiculous post.
You appear to be expecting a 20 year old player, who has been given more responsibility than ever before to be playing with a 30 year olds experience.
You show no consideration for the fact that he's probably never played in a game with that intensity before and been expected to be any more than a support player.
He does need to learn how to influence games more consistently, but that is the point, he has to learn, as in he doesn't have the experience to do it yet. To [iexpect[/i him to be able to do that at this point in his career is either indicative of ridiculous, and unreasonable, expectation or a lack of understanding of the nature of sport.'"
Bob on.
Is it any wonder young players fade out when they get expectations like that put on their shoulders.
You get the odd exception Farrell, Sculthorpe, Edwards etc.
Noble has said about Tomkins that he is a very good player but don't put him in the Universe team yet.
Cut these young players some slack, they need time to develop.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Bob on.
Is it any wonder young players fade out when they get expectations like that put on their shoulders.
You get the odd exception Farrell, Sculthorpe, Edwards etc.
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I challenge you to go five posts without mentioning his name.
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| Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"That's an utterly ridiculous post.
You appear to be expecting a 20 year old player, who has been given more responsibility than ever before to be playing with a 30 year olds experience. '"
Before calling my post, why not read it? I spoke about consistent [ipresence[/i. I fully acknowledged his skill and decision making, etc, etc, would take time.

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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"Before calling my post, why not read it? I spoke about consistent [ipresence[/i. I fully acknowledged his skill and decision making, etc, etc, would take time.
'" having just re read your origianl post.................i come to the same conclusion.
Stevie wonder could tell he was a good player.
The point you make is he spent 75 mins in the shadows, and needs to be pivitol in his position.
Stop trying to be mr.cleverdick and post something either positive or negative and not have a fence post stuck up your backside.
Of course we would like him to be running the show for the full 80, in truth name me a player that has done that every game they have ever played.
The fact is even in another 5 years he wont be running the full 80 in every game, but he will no longer be a "prospect" maybe even then he will have earned your approval!
The interesting thing for me is if the lad keeps it going until longy comes back and gets better, does longy walk straight back into the team?
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| Quote jonah77="jonah77"Stop trying to be mr.cleverdick and post something either positive or negative and not have a fence post stuck up your backside.'"
If he had the presence of Tomkins on the field, and Tomkins is the same age and with just as much first grade experience, then I wouldn't be saying anything. I just think he needs a more consistent presence. It isn't my fault if you don't know the difference between presence and skills.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan":lol:
If he had the presence of Tomkins on the field, and Tomkins is the same age and with just as much first grade experience, then I wouldn't be saying anything. I just think he needs a more consistent presence. It isn't my fault if you don't know the difference between presence and skills.'" whatever
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan":lol:
If he had the presence of Tomkins on the field, and Tomkins is the same age and with just as much first grade experience, then I wouldn't be saying anything. I just think he needs a more consistent presence. It isn't my fault if you don't know the difference between presence and skills.'"
What presence? We only noticed Tomkins because wigan dont have anyone else to give the ball to, and what exactly did tomkins do with the ball, apart from look dangerous in broken play and put a kick through? Eastmond did just as much, even though we had the likes of Pryce and Cunningham to control things. Eastmond, on a few occasions, nearly put one of our players through a gap and would have made a few breaks if it wasnt for some last ditch ankle tackling.
Tomkins wasnt as good in the game as everyone is claiming and i certainly wouldnt swap him for Tomkins, not in a million years
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