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Hola Peeps

Just wondered how many of you actually purchase music anymore? Be that on iTunes, Beatport etc or hard copy.
Or are more of you using youtube or streaming on say spotify? or simply downloading from illegal sources.

Not judging, although would be interested in peoples thoughts on music becoming thought of as free
and the complications on making a living as a music, what peoples perception of the implications of the download generation on the quality of music released, affect on labels and artists etc

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I still buy music, I'd rather have the physical item than the digital form as well. To me it just seems more personal to own the CD or LP than an mp3. I use the internet to listen to the music and if I like it I try and remember to buy it the next time I go shopping.
The download generation has opened up the market to people and bands who wouldn't have had the option to get their music out there to the masses which can only be good thing, I mean more choice in music, is that a bad thing?

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Good man

Its a double edged sword tbh

While the net, social media etc are great tools, its all too easy to be swallowed up in a sea of mediocre music and be overlooked. In addition it is much harder to make a living now, if you don't play live or create music that doesnt translate to live then making a living in pretty much impossible now from music alone. I think that due to this, it is changing the landscape of our musical experience. Bigger labels are spending less time and money on the recording side of things and labels large and small are taking less risks and as such artists have to have pretty much made a big splash and largely lose a certain amount of uniqueness before they recieve any industry input. That said, labels are largely becoming a dwindling stage in history, live agents and management are the new movers and shakers with artists making I would guess at over 85% of their money from live alone nowadays. So yes, the net is great to get out there, but making a living in 2013 is becoming harder than ever based on the old model of the music industry. Artists need to be performers, studio engineers, multi-instrumental, industry savvy, media experts with a clear vision and flexible beyond belief now.

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I remember one story regarding the band Talk Talk who gained success with their album Colour Of Spring, and because of that the record company gave them a much larger budget to make their follow up, but as you can guess where this is going, the album wasn't a commercial success because they made it the album they wanted to make not necessarily one that would sell. They also announced due to its complexity at the time, they were unable to tour it.
Hauschka is an artist however who has had to comply, mainly because the two hours it used to take to set up his piano, had to be cut down massively to be able to tour and play live. If you don't know who I mean, you will see what I mean by looking on a video site (He uses vibrators, tic tacs and ping pong balls on the piano).

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Haha, yes.. Spirit of Eden and Laughing Stock are 2 of my fav albums

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I bought two albums last month but before them ,I'm struggling to remember the last one I bought. If I can't get what I want one way , Then I'll try other ways.

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Since the start of November, I've bought 35 CDs, been sent another 12 for review (above and beyond the ones that I bought for review) and as a bonus I've been sent a couple of new LPs too, one of which came with the CD release of the same album.

Not all the 35 CDs have been new releases - probably about half -but I'm always trying to fill gaps in my collection.

So yes, I do buy music.


I've also got a backlog of around 15 d/l albums that I've been sent which I'll never get round to listening to properly - I hate all the faffing about with burning them off as my computer speakers don't do them justice. One day bands will work out why their stuff doesn't get reviews.

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Make that 36, just ordered Random Hand's limited edition live album, just listening to the download now.


It's no wonder I have no money.

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Recent buys have been Babel by Mumford and Sons and Jake Bugg's eponymous debut album. Both really good. That said, this sadly a lot more dross/noise on the radio these days than what I could call music.

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Yes and no

We had this discussion as a band the other week in deciding to put our EP we release next week on our website as a free listen. We've only done a run of 200cds, and a digi download. Someone asked would we mind if it was copied etc, and I said no. If they copy it for a friend and that person pays to see us as a show, then it was worth it.

As a consumer I buy vinyl/cds, but I also download, applying the same principles as above.

What grates me is when industry puppets like Lilly Allen stick their oar in. They make pence off a single, but money from playing shows, and tours. The only reason they speak out is because the industry moguls are losing out and it may take a couple of £k off their next contract.

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Spot on. I support small bands by buying their merch, whether it's a CD or a t-shirt, I'm always prepared to chuck a few quid in to help them pay their costs. That said, I'm not averse to circulating 'best of the latest buys' to a couple of DJs I know, working on the principle that these lads will play these tunes out, the bands will get a bit of free publicity and hopefully a few more fans.
Most bands I know are happy with this, it's when people start ripping whole albums it becomes a bit of a mickey take.

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Went into Wakey yesterday to buy the new Courteeners album and couldn't get it anywhere, had to order it from Amazon!

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I've noticed with a few bands that I have bought tickets for recently that they tag an upcoming album on to the purchase for about £5-6. It's not compulsory in most cases but it was I think with Johnny Marr's tour tickets.

I don't have any griped with buying CD's but they all get imported eventually so it's increasingly pointless for me, especially with playing my iPod in the car aswell.

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The only music I tend to download is either promo stuff or tracks I have already bought on CD or vinyl but for whatever reason have lost or they became damaged. I dont tend to think of that as theft

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Vinyl only for me. Does make it a bit more expensive really but worth it I think. Even though they often come with download codes I hardly use them or I have them to a mate who I think might like the album and get them interested in the band

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     Womens Super League 2024-R12
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
       Championship 2024-R24
17:00
Toulouse
v
Sheffield
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
20:00
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 1st Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
05:00
Newcastle
v
Gold Coast
07:05
Sydney
v
Canberra
     Womens Super League 2024-R12
12:00
LeedsW
v
York V
12:00
WiganW
v
Wire W
14:00
Hudds W
v
St.HelensW
       League One 2024-R22
14:30
Crusaders
v
Cornwall
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
15:00
LondonB
v
Leeds
       Championship 2024-R24
15:00
Batley
v
Widnes
15:00
Doncaster
v
Halifax
15:00
Featherstone
v
Barrow
15:00
Swinton
v
Wakefield
15:00
Whitehaven
v
York
       League One 2024-R22
15:00
Oldham
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Keighley
 Thu 5th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
10:50
Brisbane
v
Melbourne
 Fri 6th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
09:00
Wests
v
Parramatta
11:00
Souths
v
Sydney
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
17:15
Wire W
v
St.HelensW
17:30
LeedsW
v
FeatherstoneW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
20:00
Castleford
v
Leigh
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Wigan
v
Hull KR
 Sat 7th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
06:00
St.George
v
Canberra
08:30
Canterbury
v
NQL Cowboys
10:35
Penrith
v
Gold Coast
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
12:00
BarrowW
v
Hudds W
       Championship 2024-R25
15:00
Barrow
v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
18:00
Salford
v
Catalans
 Sun 8th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
05:00
Manly
v
Cronulla
07:05
Newcastle
v
Dolphins
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
12:00
WiganW
v
York V
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
15:00
Huddersfield
v
LondonB
       Championship 2024-R25
15:00
Batley
v
Doncaster
15:00
Halifax
v
Dewsbury
15:00
Sheffield
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Featherstone
15:00
Wakefield
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Widnes
v
York
 Fri 13th Sep 2024
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull KR
20:00
St.Helens
v
Castleford
20:00
Wigan
v
Leeds
 Sat 14th Sep 2024
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
York V
14:00
St.HelensW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Hull FC
v
Salford
       Championship 2024-R26
15:00
Barrow
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Bradford
v
Batley
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Swinton
15:00
Doncaster
v
Widnes
15:00
Featherstone
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
York
17:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Catalans
v
LondonB
 Sun 15th Sep 2024
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
12:00
WiganW
v
LeedsW
14:00
Hudds W
v
Wire W
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
 Fri 20th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
19:30
Sheffield
v
York
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R27
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull FC
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull KR
v
Leeds
20:00
Leigh
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
LondonB
20:00
Wigan
v
Salford
 Sat 21st Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
18:00
Featherstone
v
Dewsbury
18:00
Widnes
v
Toulouse
19:30
Wakefield
v
Barrow
 Sun 22nd Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
15:00
Batley
v
Swinton
15:00
Halifax
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Doncaster
 Sat 28th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
17:00
Toulouse
v
Batley
 Sun 29th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
Doncaster
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Halifax
15:00
York
v
Featherstone
 Sun 27th Oct 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
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Sat 3rd Aug
SL
15:00
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SL
17:30
Salford-Leeds
Sun 4th Aug
SL
15:00
LondonB-Catalans
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SL
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LondonB-Warrington
Sat 17th Aug
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Wigan-St.Helens
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14:30
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
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Huddersfield-Castleford
Fri 23rd Aug
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Castleford-Warrington
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SL 20 Castleford10-20Leigh
SL 20 Wigan26-14Huddersfield
NRL 22 Wests30-48NQL Cowboys
Sun 28th Jul
NRL 21 St.George10-46Penrith
NRL 21 Dolphins14-21Gold Coast
NRL 21 Canberra32-12Souths
CH 19 Batley16-22Halifax
CH 19 Doncaster37-30Barrow
CH 19 Sheffield78-24Whitehaven
CH 19 Wakefield46-18Featherstone
CH 19 Widnes25-6Bradford
CH 19 York34-4Swinton
L1 17 Newcastle34-44Cornwall
L1 17 Hunslet24-32Workington
L1 17 Keighley36-12Midlands
L1 17 Rochdale10-14Oldham
Sat 27th Jul
SL 19 Salford30-22Castleford
SL 19 Catalans24-16Hull FC
NRL 21 Brisbane16-41Canterbury
NRL 21 NQL Cowboys30-22Cronulla
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 19 495 258 237 30
Warrington 19 498 245 253 28
Hull KR 19 481 255 226 28
Catalans 19 366 274 92 24
Salford 19 355 366 -11 24
St.Helens 19 455 256 199 22
 
Leeds 19 355 342 13 20
Leigh 19 392 286 106 19
Huddersfield 20 350 453 -103 14
Castleford 20 336 523 -187 13
Hull FC 19 268 566 -298 6
LondonB 19 198 725 -527 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 17 584 206 378 32
Sheffield 17 488 283 205 24
Toulouse 16 468 220 248 23
Widnes 17 410 307 103 21
Bradford 17 397 297 100 21
Doncaster 17 318 410 -92 17
 
York 18 428 345 83 16
Featherstone 17 440 359 81 16
Batley 17 284 366 -82 16
Swinton 17 342 422 -80 12
Halifax 17 318 459 -141 12
Barrow 16 255 458 -203 12
Whitehaven 17 336 556 -220 12
Dewsbury 18 224 560 -336 2
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