We know this set of players can play a lot better than that. I think they've given up on the coach. Its getting to the point where Smith should walk away, as if the players have lost faith it will just be like this more often than not until he goes, and that looks to be a very unhappy group of players. Its unfortunate with the timing of Rob's passing, but once the players check out the coach is a goner.

Oledzki is a workhorse prop. He is not and never will be the sort of prop who opposition fear. Not because he doesn't get aggro, but he just doesn't/can't run or hit with the kind of sheer power that others do. If the rest of our rotation was full of mongrel he'd be the perfect balance. Sadly the rest are complete powder puffs, and Oledzki looks worse than he is a lot of the time.

If you want to fix this team up though then size and aggression up front are what's needed. We have zero platform for Croft or the backs, and everyone looks awful. Martin is our best forward, but as an OS player he may need to be sacrificed to get us some oomph. But really the rest of the forwards are almost laughably bad as a unit. The only way that could change is if a new coach comes in and tries to get them to tear in. I don't think we have many that could change, maybe Holroyd?

Our pack gets bullied every week and continually gives up cheap yardage when defending. Croft needs to play behind a dominant pack to get the best out of him if we can see this then surely Blease will do too.

I was thinking just after half time we should have pushed Smith up to prop, O’Connor to 13 and brought Johnson on.

Goudemand doesn’t do it for me at prop. He’s a bench back row who can emergency cover prop if needed.

Smith is slowing us down too much, he is struggling for form. Sangare gets bagged but he gets passed the ball with 2 opposition forwards already on him, he has no chance.

Honestly have doubts over all Smith’s signings. I still like McDonnell but he needs to be our smallest forward. The conditions played into Hull’s hsnds today as it exposed our poor skill and lack of physicality.

I’d like Wane if he’s up for the job

Jim we just look poorly coached. Smith isn’t getting a tune from any players. That squad isn’t brilliant, a long way from it but it’s much better than what we’re seeing.

Agree with a lot Jon said. Blease will be taking note no doubt

There’s quite a lot of talent and skill in the squad it’s just not manifesting itself!

They’re nowhere near as bad as that show they put out today

Agree Chris

Didn't go today and haven't watched the game yet. Doubt I will as the result says it all. The writings been on the wall for weeks if not months. At this point Rohan’s like a boxer who's taking a sustained beating. He won't quit, but that doesn't make it right. Somebody needs to step in for his own (and the clubs) good this weekend. At least that way the Leigh game can be the beginning of something new.

The fact is that after every break, every chance to 'reset' or work on things - which we are told by Smith is happening - we come back worse. Three of our worst performances have come off two week breaks - Hudds, Sts and now Hull. To go back to the very first post on this thread, what the heck are they doing with all this time off??

Just be glad we didn’t appoint Tony Smith as Director Of Rugby. As a gurning apologist for his nephew he showed what a dangerous thing nepotism can be in sport. Good job nobody takes what he says seriously, especially Brian Carney.

We’re the third worst team in the league (don’t quote table, Leigh and hudds better)

The talent of the players we have is better, but what Smith is getting out of them is pure sh’ite.

Worse than cas?

I forgot about Cas.