Agree Omar. Its a factoid probably based on one or two instances that may or may not have been right, and has mutated into some people thinking that Leeds' success over an entire decade was down to a gameplan based on deliberate forward passes.

We got some undoubted luck in GFs (Lee Smith offside and a few others) but our gameplan never relied on being so flat in attack that anyone could seriously claim we were lucky in forward pass rulings.

Yeahyeah that's it yeah. Pay for a ST all year then when we get a home semi don't go. Don't pay the similar price you've paid all year again for your ticket. Yeah yeah. That's right.

Exactly Bang. But, I’m sure we will sell our allocation for Old Trafford if we are there.

Didn't you win it from 5th one year ?? You weren't best in league position, but I thought you were the real deal that year. You targeted the GF and were worthy winners. When it really mattered you were better than the rest of the top boys.that's all you needed to do to be classed as best.
So what's changed ??

It will be interesting to see the line up for Fridays game. Hull will present a big challenge and we will have to be at our very best to get a result. But with Mags and Burrow making their last appearances for Leeds at Headingley it will be an emotional evening.

There is a good argument to start Burrow in the halves, with Moon back at centre, as Rob is bound to want to go out on a high. This would also allow us to bring in Walker on to the bench as I assume Golding will start after his impressive last two performances. However I think he will select Moon at 6 and Sutty at 4 with Garbutt, Mullally, Keinhorst/Ferris, & Burrow on the bench

My understanding is you get free games if you have a ST i.e. The price of the ST is a reduction on the same cost if you just paid on the gate?

Perhaps the uplift is more than some want to pay how else do you explain the drop off from the average gate especially given Hull will be making up a third of the crowd as you say Yeah Yeah that's right

I dont understand the attitude of the type of fan who is happy to spend a large sum for a season ticket, to see what effectively constitute 11 none event games, to then go to 4 home Super 8 games, then when it really matters cannot be bothered to spend £25 fora do or die game...

What was the point in getting the season ticket in the first place?

Whoever misses out at FB between Walker or Golding misses out on the 17 for me. Wouldn't have them on the bench.

Moon in the is the one which, from a Hull fans point of view is a major concern. He seems to do very well against Hull

We won it from 5th twice and after the regular season of both id be shocked if there was a leeds fan anywhere that would of claimed we were some unplayable team that on our day no other team could live with,i certainly didnt because we'd been average at best both seasons,just like hull have this season and it would of been foolish to claim no other side could live with us because there was absolutley nothing performance or result wise to suggest that,just like theres nothing performance or result wise to suggest hull are either.

What i did think those years was that we were good enough,with enough big game experience to defy the odds and still do well in the playoffs which is what we did and its exactly what iv said about this hull team,i dont think hull are the best team in the league and absolutley not a team that no one else can live with on there day but iv said in numerous posts in this thread that hull are a good,solid team and in the very post you quoted i said.. " im not sure what you mean by real deal,if its being a pretty good side thats capable of winning super league,then i would say you are the real deal".. im not sure how anyone can think this sentance is some kind of negative towards hull,if you think thats downplaying hulls abilitys then how highly do you actually rate them yourself? If They've turned into melbourne storm over the last week then i apologize for not giving them enough credit,if its still the hull team that scraped into 4th after 30 rounds of super league then i think saying they're a pretty good team thats capable of winning the comp is a pretty fair assessment.

So to answer your last question....Absolutely nothings changed,i rate this hull team pretty much the same as i rated the leeds teams that won from 5th. Thankfully we went on to be better than the rest when it counted...Hull havnt done that yet.

We won it from 5th twice and after the regular season of both id be shocked if there was a leeds fan anywhere that would of claimed we were some unplayable team that on our day no other team could live with,i certainly didnt because we'd been average at best both seasons,just like hull have this season and it would of been foolish to claim no other side could live with us because there was absolutley nothing performance or result wise to suggest that,just like theres nothing performance or result wise to suggest hull are either.

What i did think those years was that we were good enough,with enough big game experience to defy the odds and still do well in the playoffs which is what we did and its exactly what iv said about this hull team,i dont think hull are the best team in the league and absolutley not a team that no one else can live with on there day but iv said in numerous posts in this thread that hull are a good,solid team and in the very post you quoted i said.. " im not sure what you mean by real deal,if its being a pretty good side thats capable of winning super league,then i would say you are the real deal".. im not sure how anyone can think this sentance is some kind of negative towards hull,if you think thats downplaying hulls abilitys then how highly do you actually rate them yourself? If They've turned into melbourne storm over the last week then i apologize for not giving them enough credit,if its still the hull team that scraped into 4th after 30 rounds of super league then i think saying they're a pretty good team thats capable of winning the comp is a pretty fair assessment.

So to answer your last question....Absolutely nothings changed,i rate this hull team pretty much the same as i rated the leeds teams that won from 5th. Thankfully we went on to be better than the rest when it counted...Hull havnt done that yet.

This will be a massive test.I'm fully expecting a Hull standard of at least the CC semi, so what have we got in our locker to ensure that we can get to that level for the full 80 minutes and not get blown away in a hot 20 minute spell that Hull have proved they can produce?

Hull will be brimming with confidence after last weeks result and i personally think they have learned a lot from last year and are now over the cup and fully ready for a tilt at OT. We will need a Semi performance to match the one against Saints in 2015 or Wigan in 2012 to get through, one i don't think many on here believe we can find in us.

The big games we've had since 2015 we have crumbled.

I guess we'll see if this Leeds team still has the mentality to win these big games when it really maters. Or whether were in a transition period.

To be fair there has only been one big game since 2015 the CC semi this year (i wont count WCC as we had injury issues in that) but i get your point.