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Hall's lack of tries is symptomatic of a poor attacking structure. In today's SL a guy his size in a good team ought to be averaging a try a game, which he was pretty much on until Joel Moon arrived. What he can which none of Trinity's wingers can is bang the ball down in the corner with just half a yard of space and close in.

I really don't understand why Leeds for several years haven't focused on setting up tries that way - he needs far less space than a player who relies on speed.

In any event, whilst he's a bit long in the tooth to try the move, Hall would be top of any (very short) list of Sl wingers NRL sides would look at. One area where SL is literally miles behind is sheer physicality in the backs.

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Baldwinson not even in the 19 then.
Maybe he didn`t play that well in the last few games?
Is Handley in as cover for Golding not being fit?

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First time this year could be a 1-13 starting line up?

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Quote: Trojan Horse "Don't think hall would've scored a fair few of the bishop or mcb try's tbh. A lot have been scored through sheer speed from deep.

Almost gone are the days of the big wingmen these days with most of the SL teams preferring players who can finish acrobatically in the corner or have a good speed motor on them.

That said hall is still a good winger just seems speed and technical ability seem all the rage in wingers atm.'"

Total Bull$hit! All the best wingers in the world are huge and powerful. Being able to bring the ball out of yardage and relieve forwards is as if not more important than the eye catching finishes.

Even the smaller wingers in the NRL made Hardaker look like a kid fresh out of the academy in terms of size, strength and speed.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Even sadder state when you get so overexcited by half a season of relevance (not even success just relevance) that you are seriously trying to put together an argument thsy Mason Caton-Brown is better than Ryan Hall.

Jesus even the Huddersfield fans waited until they got to finals before claiming to be the new kings, your 4th. After half a season
Although they may both play on the wing, Hall and MCB are totally different players.
MCB in space will score 10/10, Hall may get caught.
Hall, 20 metres out, with one (or two) to beat will score 9/10, MCB 7/10.

MCB is speed and agility and Hall is speed + power.

The way that TRinity are playing MCB probably suits them better than Hall would although, the opposite is probably true for Leeds.

We'll have to wait until Saturday to see who's right but, Leeds look close to full strength, with Wakefield a few short of their first 17.

It will be a very close game and I'm hoping Wakefield sneak a win icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Stats are rarely funny. People on the other hand...'"


Most people are funny, but you're not - you're just bitter and spiteful - oh and have I already mentioned it, a liar.

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I remember quite a few seasons ago when Trinity had Atkins in the centre and Leeds had Senior.
A number of Wakefield fans opinion was Senior was over the hill while Atkins was on the up and on top format.
Come match day Senior came well out on top in fact it was a little embarrassing for Atkins.

Forms unpredictable.

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Quote: vastman "Most people are funny, but you're not - you're just bitter and spiteful - oh and have I already mentioned it, a liar.'"

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It really got to you that you got found out didn't it. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Although they may both play on the wing, Hall and MCB are totally different players.
MCB in space will score 10/10, Hall may get caught.
Hall, 20 metres out, with one (or two) to beat will score 9/10, MCB 7/10.

MCB is speed and agility and Hall is speed + power.

The way that TRinity are playing MCB probably suits them better than Hall would although, the opposite is probably true for Leeds.

We'll have to wait until Saturday to see who's right but, Leeds look close to full strength, with Wakefield a few short of their first 17.

It will be a very close game and I'm hoping Wakefield sneak a win There's more to the game than that. More to a wingers game than that. Hall is simply in a different class, bringing the ball out, finishing, work rate, under the high ball.

I've always liked watching MCB because he is a livewire and exciting to watch but quality wise he just isn't there. That's why he will revert to Wakefields 3rd choice winger behind BJB who I've watched for years and again isn't a patch on Hall. Johnstone definitely looks like he could get there though

Wakefield might win on saturday, personally I'm not confident either will make the top 4

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Quote: SmokeyTA "There's more to the game than that. More to a wingers game than that. Hall is simply in a different class, bringing the ball out, finishing, work rate, under the high ball.

I've always liked watching MCB because he is a livewire and exciting to watch but quality wise he just isn't there. That's why he will revert to Wakefields 3rd choice winger behind BJB who I've watched for years and again isn't a patch on Hall. Johnstone definitely looks like he could get there though

Wakefield might win on saturday, personally I'm not confident either will make the top 4'"


Yes, of course there is far more to playing on the wing than scoring tries and again, you couldn't use MCB as an extra forward to bring the ball out of defence but, he can make more metres using his pace and agility, particularly if hes up against slower defence.
As I said, different types of player and Trinity would be well advised to keep turning Hall round and try and take some energy out of him.
As I said, we'll have to wait and see.

The one certainty is that IF BJB or MCB are in space, Ryan Hall wont be catching either of them icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "
The one certainty is that IF BJB or MCB are in space, Ryan Hall wont be catching either of them
And both would get steamrolled one on one with Hall near the line icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Biff Tannen "And both would get steamrolled one on one with Hall near the line At the same time.

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Quote: Biff Tannen "And both would get steamrolled one on one with Hall near the line
Take your point but that would be a first this year. Both clubs wingers suit their respective clubs style. Sure we will see plenty of action out wide despite the weather.

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Hall's lack of tries is symptomatic of a poor attacking structure. In today's SL a guy his size in a good team ought to be averaging a try a game, which he was pretty much on until Joel Moon arrived. What he can which none of Trinity's wingers can is bang the ball down in the corner with just half a yard of space and close in.

I really don't understand why Leeds for several years haven't focused on setting up tries that way - he needs far less space than a player who relies on speed.

In any event, whilst he's a bit long in the tooth to try the move, Hall would be top of any (very short) list of Sl wingers NRL sides would look at. One area where SL is literally miles behind is sheer physicality in the backs.'"


Half a yard of space ??
You need to watch MCB or BJB' s highlights.
They have both been scoring tries with just the ball on the ground and being fully airborne.
The pair of them only need inches, not half a yard icon_biggrin.gif

Hall is nowhere near as athletic as either of them.
Power and strength, Hall wins every time but, speed and athleticism, he's coming 3rd behind the Trinity pair.

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