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| Quote: Claypitrhino "With all due respect I think you need to watch it again I'm not talking about 'sidestepping the dummy runner' cuthbertson was stalking huby back as the player came through, all he had to do was step to the side and make the tackle and stop the try, he was that close. You can disagree that's your opinion but I think if you watch it over there's no doubt cuthbertson should/could make that tackle'"
I think your missing my point (probably due to my slightly tongue in cheek phrasing).
Huby deliberately ran into Cuthbertson*. To then somehow put the burden on Cuthbertson to get around Huby (as you suggest and seemingly as the VR believes) is as ridiculous as last season when tries were being chalked off for theoretical obstruction with no defender anywhere nearby.
*in his initial run he actually stepped sideways and out his shoulder across Cuthbertson just as he reached the line
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Oh, and why on that last play is Burrow trying to step back inside? He's got a player looping around to get onto his left shoulder, just needed a simple straighten, draw and pass to create the try.'"
Because he wanted to be the hero and win the game and show the coach he should be starting..no doubt.
In fairness having watched it several times since to check on sides/possible knock ones etc, I think he'd overrun the pass from Ablett or at least Ablett in trying to force the offload when been tackled threw it slightly behind him meaning burrow was turning his back towards his own try line to bring the pass in and on trying to spin round he slipped.
Must confess though live and on watching the 1st reply I was screaming at him on the TV for bombing the winning try with 2 men outside him in acres of space and for trying to step inside to take the glory himself.
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| Quote: Omar Little "I think that's an NRL tactic from last season (where at one stage players were blatantly looking for obstructions).
All the same Cuthbertsen couldn't physically get past Huby which is the textbook definition of an obstruction.'"
To me he looked like he was making more effort to look obstructed than get around the man. Try was fair for me
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| Quote: The Eagle "To me he looked like he was making more effort to look obstructed than get around the man. Try was fair for me'"
But he shouldn't [ihave [/ito get around him. Huby had no right to be there in the defensive line.
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| Quote: Omar Little "I think your missing my point (probably due to my slightly tongue in cheek phrasing).
Huby deliberately ran into Cuthbertson*. To then somehow put the burden on Cuthbertson to get around Huby (as you suggest and seemingly as the VR believes) is as ridiculous as last season when tries were being chalked off for theoretical obstruction with no defender anywhere nearby.
*in his initial run he actually stepped sideways and out his shoulder across Cuthbertson just as he reached the line'"
Yeah I completely accept that's what's happened, but surely it's better to make the tackle if possible rather than relying on the officials to give the obstruction? Arguably if he'd made the tackle/attempted and couldn't quite get there and stop the try because of huby being there, we'd have stood a much better chance of the obstruction being given?
I just hope if there's a next time with same situation, he learns from tonight and does something more IF possible
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "But he shouldn't [ihave [/ito get around him. Huby had no right to be there in the defensive line.'"
There was barely any contract, and the ball was well away. Cuthbo should have slid across to cover the gap but looks like he has a little rest, and if anything moves into huby
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "But he shouldn't [ihave [/ito get around him. Huby had no right to be there in the defensive line.'"
exactly this, if Cuthbertson is having to take a different route because of Huby, by definition Huby is obstructing him. That's what obstruction is. Being in the way. The player ran through a gap created by his colleagues presence in the defensive line, if that isn't obstruction, what do we have an obstruction rule for? Especially considering the nonsensical decision he gave against Hardaker in the first half.
Some have mentioned Sinfield and decision making and leadership, all I can say is this, on the back of an unbelievably lopsided penalty count, against one of the top half backs in SL, against an incredible lack of ball and having to do an incredible amount of defensive work, we only conceded 16 points against one of the better teams in the league and could/should have won it.
I don't know what Sinfield would have done better against that. Im a huge fan of him and think he still has contributions to make this year, but in that 2nd half we were just constantly starved of ball by penalties and drop outs. When we had it, we made good metres and created chances. But I don't think any other team in SL would have been in the game facing what we faced in the 2nd half.
Its an odd thing to say considering we lost the 2nd half 16 points to 2 but it really was an outstanding effort.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "exactly this, if Cuthbertson is having to take a different route because of Huby, by definition Huby is obstructing him. That's what obstruction is. Being in the way. The player ran through a gap created by his colleagues presence in the defensive line, if that isn't obstruction, what do we have an obstruction rule for? Especially considering the nonsensical decision he gave against Hardaker in the first half.
Some have mentioned Sinfield and decision making and leadership, all I can say is this, on the back of an unbelievably lopsided penalty count, against one of the top half backs in SL, against an incredible lack of ball and having to do an incredible amount of defensive work, we only conceded 16 points against one of the better teams in the league and could/should have won it.
I don't know what Sinfield would have done better against that. Im a huge fan of him and think he still has contributions to make this year, but in that 2nd half we were just constantly starved of ball by penalties and drop outs. When we had it, we made good metres and created chances. But I don't think any other team in SL would have been in the game facing what we faced in the 2nd half.
Its an odd thing to say considering we lost the 2nd half 16 points to 2 but it really was an outstanding effort.'"
The point is that the "decision making and leadership" would have seen us give away fewer penalties and have better field position and not be under the cosh at the end of every set. Yes, there have been plenty of games where Sinfield played that we've lost the penalty count, but that's the idea.
Also, I doubt he'd have taken McGuire's crazy optional kick, and it's probable he'd have worked the late drop goal better. So, all in all, despite what you've said that could have been quite a difference.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "exactly this, if Cuthbertson is having to take a different route because of Huby, by definition Huby is obstructing him. That's what obstruction is. Being in the way. The player ran through a gap created by his colleagues presence in the defensive line, if that isn't obstruction, what do we have an obstruction rule for? Especially considering the nonsensical decision he gave against Hardaker in the first half.
Some have mentioned Sinfield and decision making and leadership, all I can say is this, on the back of an unbelievably lopsided penalty count, against one of the top half backs in SL, against an incredible lack of ball and having to do an incredible amount of defensive work, we only conceded 16 points against one of the better teams in the league and could/should have won it.
I don't know what Sinfield would have done better against that. Im a huge fan of him and think he still has contributions to make this year, but in that 2nd half we were just constantly starved of ball by penalties and drop outs. When we had it, we made good metres and created chances. But I don't think any other team in SL would have been in the game facing what we faced in the 2nd half.
Its an odd thing to say considering we lost the 2nd half 16 points to 2 but it really was an outstanding effort.'"
Agree entirely.
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| Quote: Gotcha "Just got back. Thought we we were not that good in the first half to be honest, as Huddersfield were the worst side I have seen this year. Things went our way first half, and we threw the ball about, but with no plan at all.
When things went against us second half, for the second week running we had nobody to step up and lead the side. That was a game situation we would have won any time over last 12 years with Sinfield out there. You can't just cut him off if you don't have a replacement. That doesn't mean another stand off, that means a proper leader/captain. I don't care where he plays, but he should be out there to manage players, that quite obviously don't have a brain at times. I mean, the way that bloody drop goal was handled was ridiculous.
On the game thought Delaney and JJB were fantastic. Other than that, I couldn't pick anyone. Why still persist with Burrow I just don't know.
Oh and Silverwood is useless. A very inconsistent poor Ref.'"
I stopped reading your post after i read that. If Huddersfield are the worst side you've seen this year then you must watch the game differently to other supporters and have not seen the likes of Hull, Wakey, Catalans, Wire, Widnes etc or infact don't actual understand rugby league in general.
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| Quote: craigizzard "The point is that the "decision making and leadership" would have seen us give away fewer penalties and have better field position and not be under the cosh at the end of every set. Yes, there have been plenty of games where Sinfield played that we've lost the penalty count, but that's the idea.
Also, I doubt he'd have taken McGuire's crazy optional kick, and it's probable he'd have worked the late drop goal better. So, all in all, despite what you've said that could have been quite a difference.'"
Actually, I thought the opposite regarding the Mcguire punt kick, it's exactly something Sinfield has done before, the only difference is he executed it far better than McGuire did.
I'm not sure we'd have conceded fewer penalties either. A couple weeks ago Silverwood was very lenient with the offsides and seemed to control the PTB a lot better. We seemed to catch him on one of his nights where penalised everything.
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| Quote: craigizzard "The point is that the "decision making and leadership" would have seen us give away fewer penalties and have better field position and not be under the cosh at the end of every set. Yes, there have been plenty of games where Sinfield played that we've lost the penalty count, but that's the idea.
Also, I doubt he'd have taken McGuire's crazy optional kick, and it's probable he'd have worked the late drop goal better. So, all in all, despite what you've said that could have been quite a difference.'"
Exactly. It's not like most of those penalties were wrong, it was our own indiscipline. Someone should have got a hold of that, and tried to stop the momentum. It's not as if we haven't faced similar scenarios many times over last twelve years, but we didn't capitulate like that. It was missing last week, and happened again this week.
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| Quote: moggie "I stopped reading your post after i read that. If Huddersfield are the worst side you've seen this year then you must watch the game differently to other supporters and have not seen the likes of Hull, Wakey, Catalans, Wire, Widnes etc or infact don't actual understand rugby league in general.'"
Stop been a biased idiot. Huddersfield were absolute garbage that first half, a really poor side.
Your own fans were none stop moaning that time for Anderson to go, Cudroe is a waster, and where have you gone Brough. Soon changed their tune in the second half,
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| got to agree, hudds were terrible. on the back of all that they could only get a draw? ive never seen a ref be so inept. if that wasnt obstruction then i really have no idea what is. certainly not the first half leeds one!
as for the ref, he gave hudds 20m illegally leading up to their 2nd try. knock on on hudd 10m line, free play. hudds knock on in tackle 20ms down and he ignores it to give them first tackle claiming it was a free play. well i never realised on free plays the rules get ignored....
someone how we went from the most disciplined team of the season (65 pens all year) to very nearly doubling it under silverpud (ok slight exaggeration, but was it 12 in the end?!?!)
other than that i though we defended very well. it was only broughs kicking that finally unlocked out defence, but only on the back of some seriously sustained pressure.
as for the last minute burrow slip. im pretty certain it would of gone unstairs and St steve would of found an obscure rule to disallow it =/
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| Oh and any truth to this biting claim? had it been Hardaker who had done the biting im sure id have seen a vine on twitter trending by now
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