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Quote: chapylad "If what has or has not been suggested is true.
It really does beggar the question how on earth we can be in financial difficulties considering the number of season tickets sold each year, the average attendance over the last few years, the appearances at Wembley and at Old Trafford and the WCC.
The lack of investment in players over a number of years apparently nearly always being under the cap.
No real development of the ground other than a new pitch every year.
If it is true and nobody can prove it other than hearsay.
Then someone needs sacking or investigating for fraud and or theft.
Oh I forgot we had to cough up for the training ground as our insurance did not cover the floods.
Maybe that`s what has put us in the situation we appear to be in.'"



I think people are missing the major point on what the club are trying to do, and what forms part of the club as a whole. There seems to be a tendancy to go from one extreme to another. I am unsure anyone has said we have financial difficulties as an ongoing business. It's going forward and what we have that is a difficulty, and the problem created and as a consequence of managing that.

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Some folk would miss the point if it was 10ft high signage.

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So how did Hetherington turn around the business side of things?

“We inherited about £5.5m of debt and the business was losing close on half a million a year,” he says. “And to compound matters, the team’s fortunes took a considerable dive in 1996 when they narrowly avoided relegation. It’s fair to say the Leeds club didn’t embrace the move to summer rugby. Crowds were declining and so was income in general. The big challenge was to change the culture but that only happens over a period of time.

“We’ve doubled the turnover over the last five or six years, we have 100 full-time staff here, double the number of 1996 and we’ve created a very good rugby business. We have excellent, high-quality staff who deliver high standards and the fact we’re profitable has enabled us to invest without the fear of debt. We’ve put £7.5m into the ground and we’ve put half-a-million pounds into the training facility at Kirkstall. There’s been significant investment in the education centre too.

“The thing we’re most proud of is that we’re one of the few sports businesses who owns its own facility and doesn’t have a penny of debt. We’ve got facilities that have been developed significantly and we’ve got a successful team. That’s as good as it gets.

“Going forward, there are still major challenges and one of them is that we’ll have to replace the South Stand with something that will cost around £6m, so that is inevitably going to take us back into significant debt. It’s got to be affordable, but we could be sat here in a year with a new South Stand.”

That was Hetherington talking in December 2010 about us dipping back into debt with the building of the new soutstand - full article here if anyone hasn't read it before-

richarddelariviere.co.uk/?p=256
So how did Hetherington turn around the business side of things?

“We inherited about £5.5m of debt and the business was losing close on half a million a year,” he says. “And to compound matters, the team’s fortunes took a considerable dive in 1996 when they narrowly avoided relegation. It’s fair to say the Leeds club didn’t embrace the move to summer rugby. Crowds were declining and so was income in general. The big challenge was to change the culture but that only happens over a period of time.

“We’ve doubled the turnover over the last five or six years, we have 100 full-time staff here, double the number of 1996 and we’ve created a very good rugby business. We have excellent, high-quality staff who deliver high standards and the fact we’re profitable has enabled us to invest without the fear of debt. We’ve put £7.5m into the ground and we’ve put half-a-million pounds into the training facility at Kirkstall. There’s been significant investment in the education centre too.

“The thing we’re most proud of is that we’re one of the few sports businesses who owns its own facility and doesn’t have a penny of debt. We’ve got facilities that have been developed significantly and we’ve got a successful team. That’s as good as it gets.

“Going forward, there are still major challenges and one of them is that we’ll have to replace the South Stand with something that will cost around £6m, so that is inevitably going to take us back into significant debt. It’s got to be affordable, but we could be sat here in a year with a new South Stand.”

That was Hetherington talking in December 2010 about us dipping back into debt with the building of the new soutstand - full article here if anyone hasn't read it before-

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Quote: Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino "Some folk would miss the point if it was 10ft high signage.'"


No point had been made though, just the usual cryptic chinese whispers of "there's a story, but I can't tell you the story" and some are getting sucked in because they're suckers for any type of gossip, even the type that offers no details.

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Quote: Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino "Some folk would miss the point if it was 10ft high signage.'"

What points that?

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[quote="Gotcha in 2016":12w08s93]McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.[/quote:12w08s93] :lol: :lol: :lol::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_11388.jpg



Quote: Gotcha "So when you said "have we gone under yet" you were just talking crap?'"


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[quote="Gotcha in 2016":12w08s93]McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.[/quote:12w08s93] :lol: :lol: :lol::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_11388.jpg



Quote: William Eve "Leeds are the best run club in SL... allegedly.'"


Good point, very well made.

Saw you on South Park last night btw.

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Quote: William Eve "Leeds are the best run club in SL... allegedly.'"


Not much competition though - more the best of a poor bunch

Has more advantages than any other side in SL yet it cannot find sufficient funds to bring its place of business out of the stone age.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "

Has more advantages than any other side in SL yet it cannot find sufficient funds to bring its place of business out of the stone age.'"



I can't understand why this is the case. Over the last 12 years or so, we've played in numerous finals and show piece games, all of which shouldn't have been budgeted for, so should be considered bonus money, if you will.

Where's all that extra revenue going?

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Quote: gulfcoast_highwayman "I can't understand why this is the case. Over the last 12 years or so, we've played in numerous finals and show piece games, all of which shouldn't have been budgeted for, so should be considered bonus money, if you will.

Where's all that extra revenue going?'"


Go to Leedsrugby and look at the coaching/conditioning set up - all that expertise to finish in the middle 8s and virtually zero quality coming through the academy!!

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Quote: gulfcoast_highwayman "I can't understand why this is the case. Over the last 12 years or so, we've played in numerous finals and show piece games, all of which shouldn't have been budgeted for, so should be considered bonus money, if you will.

Where's all that extra revenue going?'"

Don't forget that we were paying debts off for a while and even if the club made a £500k profit every year it would take 12 years to accumulate enough money to fund a new South Stand.

Leeds getting a new south stand is the financial equivalent of Tesco spending £32bn in one year on one project.

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Quote: Him "Don't forget that we were paying debts off for a while and even if the club made a £500k profit every year it would take 12 years to accumulate enough money to fund a new South Stand.

Leeds getting a new south stand is the financial equivalent of Tesco spending £32bn in one year on one project.'"


Then why are we doing it?! Most of the people who stand in the south stand are pretty happy to stay standing.
If you want to update it and maybe make it a bit safer (though I don't recall any injury incidents), then just add in more barriers and replace the rest of the stone steps with the metal ones.

I think we will look a bit stupid converting our stand to seats when football teams all over europe are going the other way and introducing safe standing.
Why? Because standing means a better atmosphere and our team plays better at home.

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Quote: leedsnsouths "Then why are we doing it?! Most of the people who stand in the south stand are pretty happy to stay standing.
If you want to update it and maybe make it a bit safer (though I don't recall any injury incidents), then just add in more barriers and replace the rest of the stone steps with the metal ones.

I think we will look a bit stupid converting our stand to seats when football teams all over europe are going the other way and introducing safe standing.
Why? Because standing means a better atmosphere and our team plays better at home.'"

Even if it were to stay as standing it needs knocking down and rebuilding at some point. It's required lots of money spending on it recently just to keep it available for use and that will only get worse.

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Quote: Him "Even if it were to stay as standing it needs knocking down and rebuilding at some point. It's required lots of money spending on it recently just to keep it available for use and that will only get worse.'"


Why does it need knocking down? As I said you can just make a few adjustments and it will be as good as any stand in SL

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Quote: leedsnsouths "Why does it need knocking down? As I said you can just make a few adjustments and it will be as good as any stand in SL'"

It needs expensive maintenance every few years to strengthen it.

I love standing in the south stand, but it's not close to being as good as any stand in SL. The access is relatively poor, there's pillars blocking people's view, holes in the roof, an outdated TV gantry and inadequate food and drink areas and I still dont know how they get away with the kids sitting on the wall with such a large drop behind them.

It really does need doing at some point, whether it's now or 10 years time or somewhere in between is largely irrelevant. If there's an opportunity to get it done along with the North Stand then I say do it.

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