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Dunno how accurate these are, but according to George Riley:

Sam Burgess: 18 runs, 206 metres, 29 tackles, three offloads, one line break, one try assist, one try.

Wowser.

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Quote: El Diablo "Dunno how accurate these are, but according to George Riley

Would like to see Graham's also, as at the game I thought he did even more of the hard work, with Burgess the quality.

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Quote: Gotcha "Would like to see Graham's also, as at the game I thought he did even more of the hard work, with Burgess the quality.'"


I thought they were both outstanding. Our whole forward pack was awesome, but those two were immense.

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James Graham was outstanding yesterday without doubt

However, the way he played yesterday there has to be a strong argument for Sam Burgess being the best forward in world rugby at the moment and I do include SBW in that. He can play prop, loose and second row with ease and just looks unstoppable at times.

I have also been very impressed with Chris Hill in this tournament - slightly quieter yesterday but looked class in my opinion throughout.

What a shame only one of these players plays in Super League

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Quote: Gotcha "Would like to see Graham's also, as at the game I thought he did even more of the hard work, with Burgess the quality.'"


James Graham played 62 mins 16 runs for 137 metres made 41 tackles

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Quote: Mulder "James Graham played 62 mins 16 runs for 137 metres made 41 tackles'"



Thank you. Thought so, his work rate was immense, that tackle count for 62 minutes and for a prop is phenomenal.

Very Peacock esq yesterday. Really set the platform.

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The stats of the official website are:

Sam B: 173 mtrs - 19 Carries - 28 Tkls - 2 Miss Tkls - 6 Busts - 2 Cln Bks - 0 Err- 3 OLs - 1 pen - 1 try - 1 assist
Graham: 151Mtrs - 19 Carries - 36 Tkls - 0 Miss T - 1 Bust - 0 CBs - 0 Errors - 1 Pen - 0 try - 0 assist
Sony Boy: 141 Mtrs - 20 carries - 33 Tkls - 4 Miss T - 2 Busts - 0 CBs - 3 Errors - 4 OLs - 0 Pens - 0 Try - 0 assist

Deserved MOM for Sam but also outstanding display from Graham. The stats do not record his passing skills as he plays a lot at first receiver and helped create the first try. He also (I think) made (with others) the last six consecutive tackles in the match.

What a never say die rugby nation New Zealand are! Not only do they win the RL World Cup semi against England with a last minute conversion but today their Union boys beat Ireland with an exact repeat of the same in the last minute.

The third best player IMO was Sinfield who despite his tragic missed tackle and missed conversion was also outstanding. Sport can be so cruel but it is this unpredicatability until the final whistle that makes it so special.

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Quote: scary jester "James Graham was outstanding yesterday without doubt

However, the way he played yesterday there has to be a strong argument for Sam Burgess being the best forward in world rugby at the moment and I do include SBW in that. He can play prop, loose and second row with ease and just looks unstoppable at times.

I have also been very impressed with Chris Hill in this tournament - slightly quieter yesterday but looked class in my opinion throughout.

What a shame only one of these players plays in Super League'"


Sadly, if they wish to truly compete at this level our forwards need to be based down under.
There's no way that Sam B would be the player he is now had he stayed in the UK.
The longer off season & the better coaching that they get there is the reason for that.

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Quote: Old Feller "Sadly, if they wish to truly compete at this level our forwards need to be based down under.
There's no way that Sam B would be the player he is now had he stayed in the UK.
The longer off season & the better coaching that they get there is the reason for that.'"



Don't agree at all. Burgess and Graham were already excellent players in this country, and that was whilst young.

Remember, Westwood, O'Loughlin, Roby, and Hill, also played their part in yesterday's forwards display.

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We need to stop flogging our top players. 35-40 fixtures in a season is ridiculous for such a ferocious product as top level rl. Hope the rfl build on this, they have a fantastic opportunity.

Yesterday was the first time I've ever felt absolutely gutted at an international match, such emotions usually reserved for Rhinos only! To keep roughly on subject, Widdop was fantastic, hopefully the end of one season wonder Chase in an England shirt.

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Quote: Gotcha "Don't agree at all. Burgess and Graham were already excellent players in this country, and that was whilst young.

Remember, Westwood, O'Loughlin, Roby, and Hill, also played their part in yesterday's forwards display.'"


Agreed.graham was that same player whilst at saints and burgess was ripping up the aussies whilst still 20 and at the Bulls in the 09 four nations.the NRL is a great comp. But we need to draw the line when it comes to giving them the credit for everything good about our game.saints and Bulls made Graham and Burgess,simple as that.

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I have to partially agree with Old Feller certainly in the case of Sam Burgess and his brothers that there developments have been better served by playing in the superior competition and having a tougher outing week on week in the NRL. Graham was already much more developed than Tom George or Sam Burgess when he went to play for the Bulldogs so I think Saints can take pretty much all of the credit for him. When Sam Burgess played for Bradford he was a very good forward, now even the convicts readily acknowledge that he's the worlds best forward.

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Poor guy, clearly torn up - no blame to anybody though, great tournament.
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Poor guy, clearly torn up - no blame to anybody though, great tournament.


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The difference the NRL has made to Burgess and Graham is marginal, but it has made one. Against Australia Burgess made some vital cover tackles which required him to read the play. That reading of the game has come from the NRL. Physically he always had the raw materials, but I'd argue he's just a better all-round player than he would have been had he stayed in England.

I think the difference would be far bigger if we saw SL outside backs in the NRL, and it would make an enormous difference to developing halfbacks IMO.

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I would probably rate our best players on Saturday thus:

Burgess
Graham
Sinfield
O'Loughlin

Any of them below Burgess would have been MOM in most of the other England/GB sides I've seen.

Warched the match again yesterday. Still amazed by it. There were errors, but it was a real test match and I haven't seen many like it between any nations in 25 years watching RL. I also, having calmed down and in the cold light of day, can't remember ever seeing a starting front row perform better than that for anyone. I am still struggling to get my head round that being a loss. We've played so much worse than that and won quite a few times over those 25 years.

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