How ironic that first statement.

Remind yourself what I put again, and how you responded.

Yes people were full of praise for the TEAM. That wasn't what you were trying to argue so like a child.

I said thought Delaney was off it, didn't make the yardage and thought he had missed four tackles. I countered that by saying to be fair the very narrow 10m didn't help him. I further said I could be being harsh and will wait for stats. I said the same with Moon defence, and that there was plenty of missed tackles.

Really let's be honest, you just try to play billy big boy, without the substance to back it up.

If I was harsh I will say it. But then again, it's not as if I have said anything derogatory is it.

BJB could also make those yards IMO - most of the time the first 20 metres is simply running into fresh air and BJB is equally as quick if not quicker than Briscoe. BJB has a more elusive running style his balance is superb

I don't disagree with that. But Briscoe is far far superior at actually making further yardage in the collision, and playing the ball.

That is why I think he has the edge. It is a good headache to have. Wish we had same conundrum for backrow also.

The two Leeds wingers and the FB were immense both in attack and defence last night. To nitpick one 50-50 incident speaks volumes IMHO.

I see stats now out.

39 missed tackles for the team.

Moon missed 7, McGuire missed 4, Delaney 3, Ablett 3, Hall 3.

Top tackler Achurch with 38. Peacock 34, Delaney 32.

Hall 9m per carry, Briscoe just short, and Hardaker over 8. Between them 440 metres, with Peacock doing another 200.

Delaney just over 6 per carry, off 13 carries, no tackle busts and no breaks. So as stated by watching, not that effective, but also as stated mainly down to the narrow 10m which can be excused.

Serious quesion! did we look a more balanced structured attack WITHOUT Burrow ???




Yes Delaney made 6 yards per carry but they were quality hard yards into the heart of the Wigan pack. It took a lot out of them. Its a combined effort that pure stats dont reflect. Watch the game not the stats.

Let's be honest you jumped in having a go for no reason.

Possibly to your first question.

The yards made were no different to the yards of the other forwards. It was a very narrow 10 that played a part, as I said, and as I said before you started having a go. I thought other forwards had more impact though across the board, however 32 tackles is not to be sniffed at.

you damn with feint praise.

32 tackles is a really good effort at that level + 13 carries another good effort - 6 yards is an average carry only! it doesnt tell the 5 tacklers it took to put him down each time.

I repeat watch the game not the stats

A good all round performance ,especially compared to the saints london dross served up on the previous night.
I was pleased at Achurch ,looks like he will make the grade. At various stages of the game sinfield played a captains role he seemed to lift us when we were flagging.
We did not seem to miss burrow, the big question is were we better with out him.
Wigan played a big part in a thoroughly entertaining match. When they get their top players back there will be very little between the two teams.
I suspect this match is just the first round in what will be some epic battles between us and Wigan .
Both teams look to be superior to the rest of the pack and that includes saints. I can't finish without mentioning peacock,another top performance performed under some highly agressive and niggly tackling from Wigan .

ITS A FORUM a place for open discussion and challenging of statements and opinions.

And the bit you massively miss, is that I watched the game, commented, then the stats came out.

They backed up my view in the main. He made a few more tackles than thought, and credit to that. But he missed tackles like I said, and his carries were not threatening.

He did not have an outstanding game, which is what I said, before you jumped in unnecessarily.

Correct it is a big issue...but appently we have to concentrate on nit picking certain individuals contribution and their stats.

You watched a great game !! in fact one of the best team efforts of the past couple of seasons and yet you seek to justify your jaundiced opinions with pure stats and ignore the total effects of a great combined team contribution against a really good side.

I have to agree. Everyone contributed and we look a real solid team. The dum of all parts etc

A really excellent team performance against a very good Wigan side who were made to look ordinary by the outstanding Leeds defence which totally smothered the Pies attack for the great majority of the game. That it took some wonderful attacking moves with great individual skills to score our tries and break down their defence shows what a great achiement this was by Leeds.

The form Leeds are in is in no small part due to our coaches. These performances and not just off the cuff stuff by talented players. It is down to a lot of hard work and professionalism on the training field and the gym. The fitness coaches deserve a word as our line speed, stamina and match preparation are in great part down to them. Head coach McDermott, so often underestimated by some, has shown that given a decent squad and without too many serious injuries he can produce a structured defence and an exciting attack based on good preparation and game plans.

To name Ablett at 6 was a lovely touch and when Clarkson went in to the hooker role for the first part of the game it must have thrown Wigan's plans a bit. Clarkson deserves credit too for rising to the challenge.

Every player played their part and stuck to the game plan but our much derided pack set up the platform with JP and Kylie leading the charge and Achurch fullfilling his promise and with Ablett and Delaney keeping things tight we controlled the centre field. This allowed Sinfield to bring the backs into play with such devastating effect. A word too for Sutcliffe who also was very effective.

Our kicking game on the surface didn't look special but I get the feeling that this too was part of our game plan. Our kicks may have found Bowen but they had height and with our superb kick chase we controlled field position.

So in what was a splendid team performance Hardaker, JP and Hall were my stand out performers.