I'd love a third and fourth addition Clueso but where are they coming from with cap and quota restrictions?

What I don't think works is stacking the side out with the players we have been for almost a decade.

I also think we have issues at 7 (a few good performances doesn't make Frawley a title winning half back IMO), and at centre.

If we add a real high quality prop in the Mik+ bracket I think the trickle-down effect of that is significant, and I think some more power in the back row would help the props. It does depend who is available too of course in this market.

Oh I do Jim, for coming through and surviving years of personal hell, for an amazing young family, a brilliant job and supportive people in my life. My feelings about the rhino's though are nothing to do with positivity but assessing and commenting on what's there and has been in pain sight for years, not just some blind faith.

When i see something that merits positive optimism i comment accordingly, when i see something that merits the opposite i also comment accordingly, its just how i am. I get that continual negativity is a bit tiresome but its all theres been evidence for for so long. Blind optimism in the face of the opposite is just as tiresome too though, 'insisting the sky is blue when its clearly not'.

we definitely need 2 more ready made starting props and one back rower that's our priority for 25. we also don't need projects squad fillers,and also need to offload some of the sick notes. the amount of players sat in the stands is killing our cap space

Fusitua -get rid
Donaldson - don't resign
Hudson- not played game get rid
warren not played a game - get rid
Max Simpson not played for 2 years - get rid
Gannon- talent but too injury prone one more year to prove he can hack it injurie wise or get rid.

Holdroyd- does not play enough -see out contract or get rid if cannot stay fit

Ruane great prospect - should be given game time with us not loaned out. hopefully his run at Hull is successful if he cannot break into that side then get rid.

A few others as well Newman needs to stay fit and start performing.

don't know what that equites to cap wise but that's at least 8 players (including martin) that could be gone and replace with 3-4 first choice starters.

Coming back to the topic, what we need in the first round of recruitment are a pair of Kylie Leuluai’s and a young Adrian Morley. Once we sort the pack out, the halves and backs will look better without recruitment there. If we only add three or four players in the coming off season, they all need to be starting quality forwards.

I don't have blind optimism Seth, I teach post graduate critical thinking for a living.

Ah but no Fruit on the Kylie tree this year...

Eseh jnr has signed for Hull for the rest of the season

Its not hypocrisy though is it when the R.S out brigade could see what was happening and were proved correct , whilst your optimism was so far from the mark along with Chris we thought you were Smith in disguise

Critical thinking is what lead me to my less than positive predictions about RS and the teams plight , maybe i need a change of career

I get accused of repeating myself, and yet almost nobody listens to what I actually say... hiding to nothing this board!

How did Eseh go with you guys? Looking forward to seeing him play for us as rated him at Wakefield. Couple big bodies added for us - badly needed

Jack Smith to Bulls till end of season.

Kieran Hudson to Fax till end of season.

Steady away. Did what was needed.