Think your clutching at straws if you think thats a performance to shove down his doubters throats, he fell on a couple of loose balls and thats about it. 19 yearold cam smith was better than him and has hopefully overtaken him in the pecking order. Some people, myself included, just think he's a very poor player, im not scapegoating, i just think he's a terrible player. I love his effort, but thats not enough at super league level.

Agree to disagree if you like but dont think any humble pie needs to be eaten, everyones entitled to there opinion.

Agree with this 100%. Its unbelievable how little credit leeds get, its always the other team having an off day or the refs hammered them. Its like its just a coincidence that these off days always seem to happen against leeds. Like is said above, we went to there home patch, missing our best 3 forwards plus a few others, lost a player after ten minutes, three 19 yearolds and josh walters on the bench, only 3 props in our 17...And we beat them pretty comfortably. Wilkin embarrassed himself in the interview, if saints were at there best , they could of won, but we didnt allow them to be, conversley, if we were at our best, were on our home patch and didnt have half a team missing...We could of won by 50

I think his best one was 2007 when he complained that the Leeds players were making too much noise when they were celebrating their 33-6 win in the dressing room

I don't think i even buy hat saints dominated the opening half. Leeds were all over them at the start. Saints were on top for at best 20 minutes

He posted the same thing twice, didn't get a bite from the one on page 7 so thought he would go again for some reason.

Like yourself, not really sure why humble pie should be eaten here, may sirsinfield would like to point out what Walters did in the game to warrant such a 180 in opinions? Best i can say is i didn't even notice he was on the pitch.

Interestingly Walters did have the exact same number of tackles (7), missed tackles (2), carries (6), metres made (37) and penalties (1) as Cam Smith.

The one in my sig was memorable too. 2009 IIRC.

But given the resilience of the club it doesn't make sense.

Watched the last game in front of south stand yesterday and there is point when walker gets taken out in a tackle and as he is coming round none of other than willing is standing over him dishing out the verbals.

He's such a hypocrite.

His whinging about certain players Whooping after a big tackle or scoring a try is a particular favourite aswell

Thats true, but stats dont tell the whole story. Smith will get one completed tackle for his try saver, walters will get one completed tackle for when douglas (i think) ran at him and pushed him back several meters after contact until others arrived to help bring him down. Green from hull did the same to him a few times last week, it might go down as a completed tackle but its not good defence imo. The stats say they had the same game, watching the match smith impressed me more.

When Walters ran it up at the end and dropped it. He had one job just to take it in and keep hold and he couldn't do that. Luckily, they needed 2 tries at that point.

Think it's all been said on the performance - great gutsy win.
Regarding child and scrums, 3/4 times saints only put 5 in the scrum and child stops the scrum half feeding the ball and calls for another player to pack down. Other teams do the same. It's not junior rugby, for mine, ref should let scrum half feed the scrum and then penalise the team packing 5 down.

Certainly one of our better league wins in recent years. Good to see Smith and Oledski playing in a big game and doing well. As for Walters, I just don't rate him, but as others say, he's about 7th/8th choice so it doesn't matter much when everyone's fit.

Alex Walmsley ruled out long term with a fractured bone in his neck. Big loss for them.

It would be a yes from me.

A few pings from that a game and it would all but disappear within a round of fixtures.