He had some very good games for us and some he looked uninterested.I seem to remember rumours of being a poor trainer and disruptive in the dressing room.

He had some very good games for us and some he looked uninterested.I seem to remember rumours of being a poor trainer and disruptive in the dressing room.

Yes I think he had an interesting character off the field!

It is very very hard to find and retain high quality imports these days (although again Saints and Wigan seem to have managed this way better than Leeds).

We need to give players like Holroyd time and resources, because if he can fulfil more of his early promise he's a really valuable asset. I still think there is a player in him but he does need the right coach I think to get stuck into him.

I really rated Holroyd when he burst on to the scene and he did pretty well in the England Academy.
He seemed to go off the boil after his sending off whilst playing for Bradford.
Maybe someone told him he needs to curb his aggression and its affected his game.

Brian Mac singles Garbutt out in the film 'As Good As It Gets'. In fact, the film is supposedly named after a comment of Brian's to Mitch - something along the lines of 'this is as good as it will ever get for you, Mitch Garbutt' while putting him through the ringer in training.

It's by no means impossible though. Look at Amone, Mago, and Satae. None of of them had really broken through over there, but they've been great in SL. Simply put, we need to try harder and do better when it comes to recruitment.

He was also back on the boil enough in his first full season to get an England cap
Lets see how he goes under a new coach

Will be harder with is being abit of a show the last few years with regards to silverware and league position etc.

I know it was a different time during the golden gen but ad Sinny said, players down bigger deals elsewhere to win and play at Leeds.
We no longer have that ,so players will cost more

3 year deal would be a disaster currently hes a shadow of the player he was and is blowing and struggling with the pace of the game after 15 minutes. As an impact off the bench he would be an upgrade on Lisone and improve our go forward but his value would deteriate as he got older. We need an aggresive starting prop who can play decent minutes and carry the ball regularly. Lisone is a bench prop Sangare will never be good enough and should be 5th or 6th option and Holroyd has just not kicked on playing only around 40 games in 5 years and with the ball offers even less than Sangare. Unfortunately these guys are contracted so its not a problem thats easily solved.

Holroyd is still young and has come through our own academy, he's worth a place in the 17 when fit and should get better with age and experience.

Think I agree on some above comments - we've had our fingers burned more than once signing big names whose best years were well behind them. We probably need more of an undiscovered gem with the physical attributes to cause problems. I have said we should splash the cash for the right player but if you're talking £400-500k a year with a long-term commitment it probably isn't justifiable really.

Be interesting how Blease handles things.

Two of the backrow you’ve mentioned there have hardly played this season. Can’t really rely on that…..

Two of the backrow you’ve mentioned there have hardly played this season. Can’t really rely on that…..

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You're not wrong. Hopefully we retain Martin for a fair price/ short deal. If not , we need to sign a big backrower ro join the two props imo.

With the HIA concussion stuff that's kept players out for long spells I'm not sure what we can do about it.

Watson gone from hudds
Wonder if they will make a play for rowley

Or Rohan Smith!