Senior was awful for us when he first signed.

It happens a lot. Same with Vainikolo at Bradford.

I did say bang average, not quite as drastic as rubbish is it

Its not about agreeing or opinion, its there for anyone to see, but i understand not having the time or inclination, especially with what the evidence will show.

Take Ash's word over mine all you want, You are massively misreading this discussion if you think im trying to convince you to agree with me, i said he's bang average, thats my opinion, i said he had involvment in 1 of Handleys tries, thats fact...What you do with those 2 pieces of information is entirely up to you....I would suggest forming your own opinion on things over just listening to what the players say mind, but each to their own

You say it's not about opinion, then go on to say it's your opinion.

Having only 1 involvement is not a fact, its a simplistic way to look at how players play and what leads to trys, the final assist is just one part.

Anyway we'll just have to agree to disagree on Momirosvki. let's leave it there.

Wrong, read again, i said the moms involvment, or lack of, in Handleys tries was not about agreeing or opinion because the evidence is there for anyone to see

I said him being a bang average player is my opinion...

Two separate things, but dont let that get in the way of your selective reading.

The most simplistic thing i have heard is crediting someone with doing something but having no evidence to present...Maybe Mom gave Ash a really motivating speech before hand, that inspired him to go full length from Crofts Kick or Millers pass..The 'intangibles' but his on pitch involvment was not the reason Ash scored them

Agreed, consider this particular discussion left here.

Iirc Mom arrived late and had no pre season.

He isn't flashy like Nene but he also didn't screw us over like Nene.
New players from aus can take a little while to get settled,he's far from our worst player or signing.

Not sure where our boys with insider knowledge have gone but not heard owt in a couple of weeks and I've heard Leeds are looking to prey upon the fallout at parra eels. Namely Joe Ofahengaue

What you hearing, movement this season with freeing up a quota place or for next season?

Miller was never as flaky in the NRL as he's been for us. That's down to him been asked or independently trying to do things for Leeds he never did in the NRL.

Heard that Ian Blease left his role as Director of Rugby at Salford on last Thursday night and will now be offered the Sporting Director job at Leeds.

Matt Shaw reporting this morning he’s set to be appointed

Paul Rowley next pleas..