I'd like to see him play 10 games in decent conditions to make an assessment on him. He has some quality of course but I'm not sure about him... I keep harking back to Keith Senior, who would boss most opposition most games. Those were the days.

While Frawley was down to the club's no doubt wide-ranging search for a halfback, Mom was a last minute signing forced on us by Macdonald going AWOL. He has some pedigree, but it remains to be seen whether he can get up to a really high quality. Even if both don't work out I'd only point blame at Smith for Frawley.

Momirovski is decent IMO. He's scored a few tries given his limited game time, and he also played a part in the Riley Lumb brace.

Mom is really good positionally, he's a smart player. But he's no good to us as yet another casualty ward member, he needs to be on the field. Leeds have got so many repeat injury-prone players it's not even funny.

Momorosvki is s very good player, you don’t olay in the teams he has by being average, it’s also no coincidence that Ash was scoring for fun when he was alongside Mom.

He’s just had the Leeds injury curse, I think he’ll be back this week though as he’s recovered quicker than expected.

Agreed. Think hes been nursing an injury (ankle?) since he got here so hes not been 100%. Heres hoping a run in the team can give us some oomph in the centres.

He had involvment in 1 of Handleys trys, lets not re write history

Luckily for him, His poor start has been overshadowed by Frawley, another championed by some despite the overwhelming evidence, being god awful

That’s if you only consider involvement as an assist, there’s more to RL wing/centre play than that.

Ask Ash if he thinks Momirosvki is rubbish, you wouldn’t like his answer.

I knew that would be your comeback, so i challenge you to go back, watch Handleys 7? Tries and tell me how Mom contributed in a way that even a decent championship centre wouldnt? The old intangibles argument is weak Christopher ' he does the things you dont notice well'

You fed us all that with Frawley, how's that working

Team mate bigging up team mate shocker...And where have i said he's rubbish?

Who fed who what with Frawley? Not me.

I’m not going to go back and go through all the trys, ive not got the time nor the inclination, we wont agree.

And yes a team mate might big up s team mate but I’ll take Ash’s word over yours if that’s ok?

And sorry, you said bang average not rubbish.

Senior was awful for us when he first signed.

It happens a lot. Same with Vainikolo at Bradford.

I did say bang average, not quite as drastic as rubbish is it

Its not about agreeing or opinion, its there for anyone to see, but i understand not having the time or inclination, especially with what the evidence will show.

Take Ash's word over mine all you want, You are massively misreading this discussion if you think im trying to convince you to agree with me, i said he's bang average, thats my opinion, i said he had involvment in 1 of Handleys tries, thats fact...What you do with those 2 pieces of information is entirely up to you....I would suggest forming your own opinion on things over just listening to what the players say mind, but each to their own

You say it's not about opinion, then go on to say it's your opinion.

Having only 1 involvement is not a fact, its a simplistic way to look at how players play and what leads to trys, the final assist is just one part.

Anyway we'll just have to agree to disagree on Momirosvki. let's leave it there.

Wrong, read again, i said the moms involvment, or lack of, in Handleys tries was not about agreeing or opinion because the evidence is there for anyone to see

I said him being a bang average player is my opinion...

Two separate things, but dont let that get in the way of your selective reading.

The most simplistic thing i have heard is crediting someone with doing something but having no evidence to present...Maybe Mom gave Ash a really motivating speech before hand, that inspired him to go full length from Crofts Kick or Millers pass..The 'intangibles' but his on pitch involvment was not the reason Ash scored them

Agreed, consider this particular discussion left here.