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Oh well. Everything has gone Saints' way, they've taken all their chances. Leeds have been poor. A reality check for Leeds, which will hopefully be a blessing in the long run.

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Robbie Ward needs to play. If he doesn't now, then he may as well leave because he's never going to.

Sinfield at dummy half is just such a waste of his all-round game it's positively criminal.

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Was never confident going into the game was always gonna be tough and we lost to the better team on the night. Hopefully not a re run of last year!
Through watching him on the BBC liked John Wilkin as a pundit and thought he spoke well after the game.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Robbie Ward needs to play. If he doesn't now, then he may as well leave because he's never going to.

Sinfield at dummy half is just such a waste of his all-round game it's positively criminal.'"


Sinfield has been outstanding at hooker, though. I'd say starting Burrow at 7 is more likely. Ward won't play again for Leeds. He had a chance against Hull, and looked way off the pace.

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Saints were OK, Leeds were poor and what with handling errors and poor options never forced a repeat set. But if Saints couldn't beat us the week after Wembley with the two best backs in the league out and no hookers then they should just give up.

Garbutt was our best player, Ward was good in defence while Briscoe was dangerous whenever he got it and held it, but they cut off the supply to our 3/4 (and one half-back and a non-linking full-back didn't help). Golding did some things very well and didn't make massive mistakes (Hardaker would have probably stopped the Walsh try), but I'd have liked to have seen him link and back up more. Delaney was obviously crocked and don't know why Achurch didn't get more minutes, was a threat while he was on.

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Hope R Ward get the hooker position for catalan game and we have some of our players back. 6 players missing, week after ccf and a ref that let them lay on all game and we ran them close

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "Sinfield has been outstanding at hooker, though. I'd say starting Burrow at 7 is more likely. Ward won't play again for Leeds. He had a chance against Hull, and looked way off the pace.'"


Sinfield needs to be away from the play the ball.

He offers a limited running threat, and it leaves us looking horribly one-dimensional and disorganised at times. You could have thrown a blanket over the Leeds side at points in that game, McGuire did his disappearing act after that early error when he needed to step up and take control of the game.

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You can't play with one half back especially when the one half back is not expected to control the game. Hopefully Burrow will be back next week as Sinfield at 9 is a waste.

Leeds never gave up trying but you cannot play without key players (Hardaker, Watkins & Aiton) The structure looked all wrong and Saints never really looked like they couldn't beat Leeds.

Big raps to Golding who did himself proud and Ward who also put in a good shift - what is wrong with Ablett? on current form he is not deserving of his place in the side.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Sinfield needs to be away from the play the ball.

He offers a limited running threat, and it leaves us looking horribly one-dimensional and disorganised at times. You could have thrown a blanket over the Leeds side at points in that game, McGuire did his disappearing act after that early error when he needed to step up and take control of the game.'"


Sinfield is the only DH option (excluding Aiton) who engages the markers, and brings players onto the ball. I agree we miss him massively in the midfield, but with the current options we have at 9, we're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.
Looking at the bigger picture, the fact is we haven't produced a hooker capable of playing in a top side in well over a decade is really frustrating. Robbie Ward looks like the latest player to be added to the list of dummy half cast offs.

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We looked leaden tonight. Slow and lacking in both options and ideas. Saints deserved the win and may well have turned their super 8s around off the back of that win. We showed how a few key injuries can completely disrupt a good side.

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No great concerns, Saints were always going to up for it. Leeds did ok in the circumstances and were on the duff end of several poor calls. If it means Saints finish 3rd then that'll do me fine (assuming we're top of course!)

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Thought Golding did pretty well and Garbutt by far the best forward. As many have said having just one half back can only work for so long and it's time for a rethink. Sinfield is the best dummy half available. but it is leaving too big a gaping hole in midfield...especially on the (last tackle) kicking game.
McGuire had a very quiet game and it does highlight how much we'll miss the good captain we have become perhaps complacent about. Sinfield (and Peacock) will be really missed in this department.

Either give R.Ward at hooker...or if he's not considered good enough then I guess we'll have to run with Burrow - with all the problems that brings ??!!?

I did state (as did others) losing Aiton will be more of a loss than many realise: winning the treble looks more and more a less likely outcome. Lose Sinfield to injury and it will be the end of that dream.

I'm not complaining: if Leeds win the league leaders I will be more than satisfied with the efforts this season and the willingness to play attractive footy.. I have enjoyed watching the team very much, but we should now start to lower our expectations I think.

Saint Helens looked a different side too let's not forget: it looks like Walsh is back to his best and Walmsley is one perhaps Leeds should have made a better effort to sign up: he is a fabulous forward. Wilkin makes a huge difference to them too.

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The 'play Cuthbertson at hooker' gag only works when you've got players like Watkins and Hardaker in the backline to give you options. We didn't have that tonight, were playing a one-up game and without a proper hooker at no chance.

Garbutt as mentioned, was excellent.

Cuthbertson & JP looked shot and in need of a rest, Cutho in particular.

Achurch went well and should have got more minutes.

Golding was (as always) utter gash. Can't defend, can't position himself, can't link into the line, can't beat a man. Get rid asap, he's clearly never going to make it in SL which is why even the 19s prefer Handley at FB to him. The worst player to wear a Rhinos shirt since George Elliott, and that is saying something.

Hopefully all three absentees will be back for next weekend. If not, Robbie Ward needs to play, he is at least an out-and-out hooker and for the complaints about his performance at Hull he's gone well in the past.

Meantime someone needs to remind Magsy that when you've got two of the best aerial wingers in the comp you should occasionally try putting the ball in the air. Every effing time we got near their line we ran it down the short side, despite Briscoe (and more usually Hally) screaming for it on the far side.

Looking at the catalans trip next weekend I'd be going:

1. Hardaker / 27. Handley
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins / 20. Keinhorst
4. Moon
5. Hall
13. Sinfield
6. McGuire
8. Leuluai
24. R Ward
10. Peacock
12. Ablett
14. S Ward
15. Delaney

7. Burrow / 17. Cuthbertson
16. Achurch
19. Singleton
30. Garbutt

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Quote: Worlds Apart "The 'play Cuthbertson at hooker' gag only works when you've got players like Watkins and Hardaker in the backline to give you options. We didn't have that tonight, were playing a one-up game and without a proper hooker at no chance.

Garbutt as mentioned, was excellent.

Cuthbertson & JP looked shot and in need of a rest, Cutho in particular.

Achurch went well and should have got more minutes.

Golding was (as always) utter gash. Can't defend, can't position himself, can't link into the line, can't beat a man. Get rid asap, he's clearly never going to make it in SL which is why even the 19s prefer Handley at FB to him. The worst player to wear a Rhinos shirt since George Elliott, and that is saying something.

Hopefully all three absentees will be back for next weekend. If not, Robbie Ward needs to play, he is at least an out-and-out hooker and for the complaints about his performance at Hull he's gone well in the past.

Meantime someone needs to remind Magsy that when you've got two of the best aerial wingers in the comp you should occasionally try putting the ball in the air. Every effing time we got near their line we ran it down the short side, despite Briscoe (and more usually Hally) screaming for it on the far side.

Looking at the catalans trip next weekend I'd be going

Golding did ok for his experience, he picked up some ty balls and worked it back.......Delaney for me was biggest let down today, maybe the injury had an effect but either a big off game or not fit all round.

Ward and Garbutt were strong, back line was dis-jointed but not enough clean ball, easy to read for Saints.

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