And right on cue, one of my hacked off stalkers turns up

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You mean that single one scoot that led to Hall's try? The one were he ran across to the left and not straight at the line in the traditional hooker way and was helped by a pi$$ poor effort by Scott Moore who was 2 defenders across from the markers who helped open up the space for Burrow. Apart from his try and setting up Hall's try Burrow didn't have too much else of note in the final, and he didn't need to.

The burden of proof for the aforementioned added-dimension offloading style lies with the claimant.

Harry Sunderland's are given away these days.

So that's a no then. Fair enough.

Ask Biff Tannen - I'm sure he will substantiate his claim with officially recognised statistical evidence for his offloads assertion.

OTOH, if you're that interested, you could get in touch with those responsible for collating the NRL stats and request that they include stats for passing prior to contact dimension?

I wouldn't bother asking for the same from Opta however. And even if they did, they'd probably allocate said stats to someone else entirely or , more likely fail to register them completely.

Yes, this is more what i was getting at.And the fact that the opposition are put in doubt about what JG is going to do when getting the ball,he is seen as a danger man,which can never be shown in stats alone.If you watch the Bulldogs since JG joined it seems the other forwards have adopted his way of playing with the offloads before the line and it has made the team very dangerous as a whole.Hence,why i claim him to be a revelation.

The point is,and i dont think it matters what i say because Billy Eve will always have an agenda against English players,but here goes.Ellis and Graham are World Class,would Wests and Bulldogs be paying top 'marquee' money for them if they were not? i havnt heard any comebacks from down under that these 2 are over rated and just 'solid pros' that are pinching top money.

Luke Burgess,now there is an example of an englishman who has gone down under and become 'a good solid NRL pro' but who would put him in the same class as Ellis,Sam Burgess and Graham? not many i would wager!

That said,Tolman getting MOM today you must have seen that coming

I suppose he could just try watching the video rather than relying on someone else's statistical analysis. That appeared the way to go earlier.

Well he certainly wasnt being Paul Sykes, the player to actually play on the right wing after Wellens injury and Calderwoods switch, with Gleeson who had started at stand-off moving to centre. I wonder where Harry Sunderland winning fullback Lee Smith may have moved to? Its quite an impressive level of nonsense you have descended to that you are now blaming Smith for the left wing and the right wing in that game and bemoaning him for 'roaming everywhere and nowhere', im not surprised if he was both the left and right winger when Mark Calderwood and then Paul Sykes played right wing.
No, what we have seen is you display an awful level of comprehension and hope no one noticed. Uate said, outright he moved to Australia because [i"He(his father) wanted me to get better schoolling...and for footy,''[/i. Ill take what Uate says himself over your strange belief that it being a difficult decision to choose Athletics or League and him choosing League meant he never liked league and wanted to be sprinter.
No, they havent. As I said, its pretty naive to think that Australia being a better side mean they are better man for man in every position.
I remember him ducking under a tackle from NRL ubermenschen Tony Puletua in the 33rd minute having received the ball as first reciever, and setting up a Ryan Hall try running sideways until Scott Moore defending as 3rd man out from the ptb, shot out of the line, missed his tackle, Burrow then turned on the speed before throwing an outrageous dummy which third on the NZ Warriors all time try scoring list, NZ international and NRL ubermenschen Francis Meli is still looking for, and offloading to Hall for the score. It was a wonderful piece of skill off a fairly slow ptb. Maybe you confused Burrow with someone else?

Dont take too much notice of William....he is a fog knitter of the highest calibre!

I presume you mean directly opposed as in tasked with marking his opposite wingman?

Vatuvei played on the left wing throughout the 80 mins. He was basically opposed by Calderwood for the opening 38 mins until the injured Wellens was replaced by Sinfield although Calderwood and Wellens briefly switched after the latter's injury in the 34th minute. The Wellens substitution resulted in Sykes moving from right centre to right wing to oppose Vatuvei (for the next 22 minutes), Calderwood moving from right wing to left wing with Smith moving from left wing to full-back.

That formation remained until the 60th minute when coach Smith finally shifted the hopeless Sykes from the right wing to full back, Smith moving from full-back back on to the left wing, with Calderwood moving back across to face Vatuvei again over on the right wing. Sykes then fumbled his first touch in the full-back position and coach Smith replaced him with Wellens returning.

I don't recall Lee Smith being tasked with opposing Manu Vatuvei directly at any point over the full 80 minutes that both played, although I'm obviously at a severe disadvantage sat watching the game from the opposite side of the globe.

Don't let facts get in the way of a ridiculous argument. Where will it end??

In terms of opinions, I'll go with the numerous judges who rate Ellis one of the best forwards in the NRL, and Gus Gould (who generally bags anything and everything British) who reckons that Graham has been a major factor behind the Dogs' run. As someone else said, its ridiculous to suggest that because GB/Wngland have been hammered with Graham, Morley, Ellis in the side that they haven't been great players. I'd quite happily swap any and all forwards in return for the halfbacks and outside backs Australia have had at their disposal.