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| Quote: DHM "Another way of looking at things would be to say that we have reached the CC final for the first time in 5 years and actually managed to beat Saints in the cup for the first time in 7 years. Also, if you accept that the WCC was a major distraction at the start of the season (you would think it wouldn't be by now, but maybe the loss to Manly was put too much emphasis on this game) and that we had substantial injury problems in that period also, we have actually performed as well as anyone, points wise, since around the beginning of April (I use this date as it's the week after we went to Wigan with barely a team and came back to draw with the Bulls the game after which for me was a turning point). Leeds SL record (P18 W13, D1 , L4) over that period is comparable to Wigan's (P18, W14, D0, L4).
The difference this year has been the nature of our defeats and the way we have scraped home for our wins - our points difference clearly highlights that we haven't been comfortably won many games. We have also been beaten convincingly by teams that you simply wouldn't expect to beat us convincingly based on last years form.
Why is this? Why did we start so badly and why have we failed in the biggest game of the year so far?
My thoughts are that the team are mentally knackered. They need a breather, they need the pressure off for a while and they need to get the hunger back. The hunger that drives your legs to make that extra yard and that extra effort whether you play against either London or Saints. There are some tired bodies, but there are some equally tired minds out there in Leeds colours. I think the last three years Smith and Bluey have used the way Saints have been held above Leeds as a drive to motivate the guys. This year that was missing. That edge has gone and I think the guys are struggling to really get up for games in the right way.
All is still not done with this season, but on the plus side Saints look beatable, especially if they have no half backs. Yet they have their record against Warrington and a Warrington who will be drained themselves after Saturday. Wigan look like the major obstacle, but the pressure could get to them as well.'"
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Why has nobody mentioned the WCC being a hindrance during the last 2 years?
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| Quote: Tony Soprano "Why has nobody mentioned the WCC being a hindrance during the last 2 years?'"
Because it hasn't been a hindrance probably. Although we did lose a 3 or 4 games pretty quickly after the Manly game last year. I would guess that as only one team has managed to win the WCC and the GF in the same season that it does have some effect overall in most years. |
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Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg |
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| Quote: G1 "If that be the case then we have a lot to thank "Leeds greatest ever coach" for.
There's another I am reminded of, 3 months into his tenure Mclennan was so described (not by me I hasten to add). So, with Leeds greatest ever coach and Leeds greatest/strongest ever squad I am left scratching my head as to why we're struggling to finish 4th (maybe 6th) and getting walloped in the CC final.
Unless, of course, the perceived wisdom of those on here who don't share my well thought out opinions is somewhat lacking. Surely not?'"
But Gareth your greatest ever coach presided over the 2006 season - the most disappointing since 2003 - the less said about the 2006 CC semi the better and the defeat to Warrington in the first round of the play offs was what - the players fault? surely Smith can't be held responsible for any of 2006 - let's face it he was too busy walking across the Leeds/Liverpool canal!!
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| Quote: G1 "I was shocked by our performance. I was not shocked by our defeat nor was I shocked by Warrington's performance.
There was one fresh face that could have been added Saturday that would have made a huge difference. He was sat in the stands guiding Warrington and he was abused (on here) and wanted rid of (on here) by many of the self same posters now crying out for further change.
What shocked me most on Saturday was how little I actually cared at the end. Did I want us to win? Yes, desperately. However, the moment the game was over my shoulders were shrugged and it was off to the pub.'"
I felt the same as the 2006 CC semi - the team simply failed to deliver - I wonder who was the coach then? |
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| Quote: nantwichexile "First 17 for 2011 ![]()
Are you an idiot?
I think anybody who thinks that squad is stronger than Leeds' 2010 squad must be.
That pack is weak, McShane has potential but do you really think he's anywhere near the quality of Buderus yet?
And use a winger at centre, then put a young kid coming back from serious injury in the other centre, then a full-back on the wing and an untried kid on the other wing.
You can tell why you're not a coach!!
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Petty points scoring again.
Smith and McClennan were/are both fantastic coaches in their own right.
Smith, fantastic technically, McClennan, given the 'motivator' tag.
A few points.
Leeds shjould have done the double in 2005 and made the cc final in 06. Smith blew it.
McClennan won as much as smith in half the time, presided over 2 title defences (mnuch harder to defend yadda yadda).
Both were just as good as each other in different ways.
enough.
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| Quote: G1 " here who don't share my well thought out opinions is somewhat lacking.'"
What opinions that then? The 'sit on the fence and wait for hindsight and then rip people who actually put their head on the block' opinion? |
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| Quote: DHM "Another way of looking at things would be to say that we have reached the CC final for the first time in 5 years and actually managed to beat Saints in the cup for the first time in 7 years. Also, if you accept that the WCC was a major distraction at the start of the season (you would think it wouldn't be by now, but maybe the loss to Manly was put too much emphasis on this game) and that we had substantial injury problems in that period also, we have actually performed as well as anyone, points wise, since around the beginning of April (I use this date as it's the week after we went to Wigan with barely a team and came back to draw with the Bulls the game after which for me was a turning point). Leeds SL record (P18 W13, D1 , L4) over that period is comparable to Wigan's (P18, W14, D0, L4).
The difference this year has been the nature of our defeats and the way we have scraped home for our wins - our points difference clearly highlights that we haven't been comfortably won many games. We have also been beaten convincingly by teams that you simply wouldn't expect to beat us convincingly based on last years form.
Why is this? Why did we start so badly and why have we failed in the biggest game of the year so far?
My thoughts are that the team are mentally knackered. They need a breather, they need the pressure off for a while and they need to get the hunger back. The hunger that drives your legs to make that extra yard and that extra effort whether you play against either London or Saints. There are some tired bodies, but there are some equally tired minds out there in Leeds colours. I think the last three years Smith and Bluey have used the way Saints have been held above Leeds as a drive to motivate the guys. This year that was missing. That edge has gone and I think the guys are struggling to really get up for games in the right way.
All is still not done with this season, but on the plus side Saints look beatable, especially if they have no half backs. Yet they have their record against Warrington and a Warrington who will be drained themselves after Saturday. Wigan look like the major obstacle, but the pressure could get to them as well.'"
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| Quote: Ewwenorfolk "Are you an idiot?
I think anybody who thinks that squad is stronger than Leeds' 2010 squad must be.
That pack is weak, McShane has potential but do you really think he's anywhere near the quality of Buderus yet?
And use a winger at centre, then put a young kid coming back from serious injury in the other centre, then a full-back on the wing and an untried kid on the other wing.
You can tell why you're not a coach!!'"
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Personally don't think much change is needed in the playing roster.
A long off season break, a new coach with fresh ideas will do far more than any signing ever could.
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