Sorry but to not give Smith any credit for 2022 and giving it to Agar seems like revisionist stuff to me.

We did change style and the ‘passive defence’ thst people talk about came into effect when he came and it was the correct thing to do because our defence was all over the shop.

We didn’t get battered in the final either

If you don’t like what Smith is doing now fine, but let’s not rewrite history

If we could play the way we did for the first 30 mins against Saints consistently we'd be top of the league and Rohan would be the messiah. The problem is that we can't, and in truth, haven't even come close to it again. Which makes him, sadly, a very naughty boy.

yep, what did rohan do for us?

This. All of this.
Unfortunately I have ran out of faith with Rohan, we were told it wasn't his squad, that we'd improve when he got his players in, we'd improve when he had a "proper pre season" Things would improve when players bought into the system / changed the culture / bought into his style / took on board his tactics. We'd improve when the ground firms up, when we get players back on and on the excuses go.

Honestly, its Jesse Marsch all over again at another major Leeds club. The game Rohan talks and the one that appears on the field are two radically different beasts, hes been in charge for nearly 2 years and the performances have not improved and he's been living off that magical Cinderella run to the GF since despite all signs pointing to him setting up his teams to burn brightly for all of 10-20 mins in a game.

I REALLY hope Im wrong, I really hope that he has some masterplan under his cap but as I said, Im completely checked out on this total myth and the cult of personality thats built up around him.

Sorry for the thread drift.

RS took us to a GF, and moved on a lot of the expensive (Tetevano, Sezer) or poor McDermott, Furner and Agar era signings and retentions (e.g. Dwyer, Sutcliffe) that most people were demanding on here. He also put faith in younger players like O'Connor and Walters that Agar was reluctant to do (Agar only had eyes for solid pros like Bodene Thompson). He's signed better players (Croft, McDonnell etc) but also made amends by moving on players that didn't work out (e.g. Olpherts). He's not the revolutionary we hoped for but he's been better than his predecessors. I think he'll leave the squad in a better place than when he arrived.

How does he compare to past coaches? Right now he's just above Dean Lance in my view, while working in a much more competitive salary capped environment. Definitely above Furner, Sinfield, Agar, and McDermott post 2017.

Of course, we all know that in reality the 2022 run was all masterminded by the residue of Agar's structures and JJB's instilling of 'fortitude'

Leaving the squad and club in a better place was a massive part of his remit imo.

Funny you mention Dwyer and Oconner, it was Smith who saw OConner as a hooker Nd ultimately he replaced Dwyer in 2022, suppose that was down to Agar aswell?

Anyway back on topic.

Interesting to read on other forums that Walters isn’t fitting in that well at Wigan, attitude not great apparently.

The off field stuff has been generally good ,especially regarding certain players.

It's the on field stuff that he can't seem to fix.

You’ve just made a great case for him to be a SC Manager rather than a Head Coach.

I've never thought o'connor a quality hooker. could do a job but thats it. muscle up a bit and loose forward maybe.

I would consider Frawley to centre, freeing up Martin to go into the pack. Frawley has shown he cab break the line and his defence is generally good.

I would consider Frawley to Oulton Raiders, that's about his level...

Think we all suspected his attitude was iffy when he was here. I think he believes he's better than he is.