I rarely come on here anymore, you either get shot down by the fans who believe everything that is said by the club, or in most cases you’re not able to speak because you are shouted down. Leeds are a club in crisis. I June I spoke to one director telling him that with Smith as coach we are going nowhere, just after we had lost to the bottom two teams, one of those teams had lost 14 games on the bounce. I said Smith is way out of his depth. He replied, he totally agreed and that they were on with it.
In August I said to GH that Smith should be sacked, his teams when playing have no idea, they play as a bunch of individuals not as a team, GH replied we have a coach, it’s not his fault the team are playing like this.
Since then how many players who were out of contract at the end of the season were going to have their contracts renewed. They have cleared out players who they believe are not part of the coaches plans. What is happening I have no idea,
I see the front 3 for Wigan next season are all ex Leeds players. We have given an extension of one year to a winger, who is injured most of the time I can’t remember his name. We are letting young players leave to Hull and Wigan, what happened with Cruise Leeming, probably one of our better players.
The only way out of this is to employ a Director of Rugby, a person who is up to date with players as opposed to GH and his old fashioned views.
In addition Someone who has the money has either got to buy either GH shares in the company or Caddick shares, before we end up with a great stadium but a crap team. The only person with this wealth who I know is the Chairman ( I may be wrong here) the chap who owns the equity release firm in Leeds, I believe it’s age partnership. Someone with money and clout needs to get on the board .
I’ve no idea what team we will have next season, I’ve stopped going this season, I am so downbeat with this whole situation I am totally ed off. No other football club or rugby club would put up with this rubbish that is being played on the park. Smith sees things that no other person does, his back room team, full of has beens, why we can’t get DM as a support coach I don’t know.

you are right in so much as the cheerleaders will be along soon.
I'm with you all the way

Leeming was a good player for us but there were flaws to his game. He wasn't helping the ball get out to the outside backs (and it speaks volumes that a 20 year old loose forward was able to do a better job in this respect), and Wane wouldn't pick him for England because of his soft defence.

For me the big issue with Leeming leaving was that the club didn't do anything to fill his place in the squad closer to the time, relatively early in the season. Perhaps the right players weren't around, and perhaps Smith and GH felt that we had adequate players in place to play at hooker to deal with his absence. But at this point of the season it is another quality player we can't count on, which after Austin's departure and Myler's injury (amongst others) further undermines our play-off chances.

Whole league of full of ex Leeds players, so what if Wigan have three of them, sure I read there’s 17 of them playing in CC final. Should we be fuming about that too?

There is lots of e on here too.

Looking forward to the CC final I think it's refreshing to see 2 different clubs taking part. I know some on here have decried the quality of the overall competition but while that may be true it should not detract from Leigh or HKR achievements and good luck to them both and their fans who will be enjoying their weekend at Wembley.

That includes such as Mags and Delaney , but there again they may still be better than some of the trash we have

First time in years I am really looking forward to watch the final.

Me too.
It's boring seeing the same teams there every year.
Good luck to both.
Hoping HKR do it to put a bit of a shine on a dreadful season for Yorkshire clubs.

Yep looking forwards to the game. It’s lovely to see two new teams and not the usual suspects

It’s an absolute disgrace what’s happened to the club. Problem is, it’s terminal.

Remember when Wigan were a disinter circa 2006? It wasn’t until Uncle Mo left and IL came they sorted themselves out.

The club, from a competing for trophies point of view, is all but dead.

Wow, with so many flaws I wonder why wigan signed him? No doubt they’ll win trophies “in spite” of him whilst he’s there.

Most players have flaws. Leeming was a good player, one of many who don’t seem to like it at the club these days.

Spot on post

The ineffective mods and the Hetherington bully boys (or is it just him and Kath pretending to be RL fans) do slam down on anyone who says anything negative about Hetherington or Smith or their cronies

If that is true about board and Gawwy then the club is on a downward spiral to mediocrity. I and my family are probably not going to renew our membership of last 18 years and return to watching Amateur RL.

That's just not true about negative comments not being allowed or shot down, is it? I for one have had a go at GH for quite some time, as have others. He is 100% responsible for the mess since the Golden Generation retired. I have more sympathy for Smith than some, as he's been brought in to revamp the team, meaning replacing many of our big earners. I am very disappointed in this season. However, unlike people who live in cloud cuckoo land, I just don't see how this could have been done much more quickly than it has (due to salary cap limits) or without causing significant unrest in the squad, including some players leaving who we may have wanted to keep.

What none of us know (yet) is who is coming in to replace the serial underperformers we're currently getting rid of. I will be just as hard on GH if we sign some of the no-names that have been bandied about. Now is the time for the club to make a statement about the way forward. If we do bring in some star quality, we can all then judge Smith fairly - if we keep being rubbish he will be gone.

Why should getting rid of underperformers cause Sam Walters to leave?