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Well that was basically a SL team against a Championship team.
Absolutely clueless.
Hooley really is championship level.
Sinfield is just not ready yet.
Oledski continued his poor form this season. Looks to have gone a bit soft. He needs a rest this off season.
Walters was poor as well.
Newman had a shocker and when we're struggling, he's a liability.
Gannon was completely anonymous and is never a half back in a million years.
I think we are probably looking for a 9, because sadly, neither of them give us any dynamism from DH.
Fusitua probably our best player, but he'll be out injured next week.
As I've kept saying, 9th / 10th in the table is where we deserve to finish.
Please let this season end.....

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Gannon needs next year to be purely about learning how to play in the pack add ons like 'seeing it from a halves perspective' are not for this step of his development. Throw that project (along with short kick offs, no line speed and no kick pressure) in the bin.

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Quote: christopher "Im not sure we had many options with how the squad is? That needs rectifying wether you rate Smith or not'"


Roberts could have played. Tbh back rows in the centre has annoyed me all year.

I agree though that it’s a combination of squad and coaches decision.

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Only just seen the result. Shocking.

What's happened with Newman. Saw this on Twitter https://twitter.com/RLBP_/status/170053 ... gr%5Etweet
Only just seen the result. Shocking.

What's happened with Newman. Saw this on Twitter https://twitter.com/RLBP_/status/170053 ... gr%5Etweet


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Roberts is injured.

The concern for me is that although Smith says the playing roster will look much different next year, the outside backs are pretty much what was planned for and will be mostly the same aside possibly Martin (let's hope) and that forward pack apart from Sangare is of Smith's design too mostly. And yes a good spine makes a huge difference but theres also shortcomings in the areas that have been addressed.

From Smith's interview I'm sure theyd see a 6th place next year as within the clubs expectations of progress.

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Quote: tad rhino "no no no.
nothing is ever rohans fault.
have you learnt nothing?'"

You need a Rohan Smith voodoo doll for Christmas mate.

The truth is probably that RS isn’t the finished article as a coach but he isn’t responsible for most of the issues with the squad. Looks like the Austin situation for one was between the player and GH.

I agree our structure is a shocker but that’s why RS is bringing in Frawley and Miller. We just need to wait and see which other players sign and then after another pre/season I’ll be with you sticking pins in if things haven’t improved.

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Quote: tad rhino "he is the coach.
he coaches them. allegedly.
he has had 18 months. of course its his responsibility. a silly excuse although I agree hetheringtons time is up'"

You can’t coach players in one year to magically acquire a world class kicking game or passing game Tad.

We need better players it’s simple. Maybe a new coach too but I think you’ve been reading too much into it because you just don’t like him - fair enough.

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Good to see the usual brainless comments about it all being Smith's fault. Did you really expect Leeds to win with the team we had out?

Look at the amount of salary cap sat in the stands, missing in Australia somewhere, or allowed to leave mid-season to play for other clubs. There are questions about management at the club but I fail to see how they can all be laid at the door of the head coach.

By the way, we played the top team in the league today who put in a big performance over 80 minutes.

Let's just say we sack Smith now. Whoever comes into replace him will have his hands tied for the next few years on contracts and the playing roster. It just doesn't make sense to remove him at all. This isn't soccer you know.

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like I said, can't criticise rohan.
losing happens. losing in that manner, and throughout the season he takes responsibility. he is a nowhere near good enough

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Tad theres a difference, you can criticise whoever you like, other posters can also disagree. Personally I think there's so much that I like about him and a lot that I don't and I really don't know how the all important opening to next year will go.

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Criticise him all you like tad, just use rational arguments. Hurt feelings after a loss need a vent, I get that, but is it really all Rohan's fault? icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Seth "Roberts is injured.

The concern for me is that although Smith says the playing roster will look much different next year, the outside backs are pretty much what was planned for and will be mostly the same aside possibly Martin (let's hope) and that forward pack apart from Sangare is of Smith's design too mostly. And yes a good spine makes a huge difference but theres also shortcomings in the areas that have been addressed.

From Smith's interview I'm sure theyd see a 6th place next year as within the clubs expectations of progress.'"


Apologies, didn’t realise Roberts was injured Seth.

Agree with rest of your post. To attempt to offer some optimism on the pack, I am hoping having Martin back in the second row will add some punch. Mik can’t possibly be as off form next year either. Last bit is more of a stretch, but I think Holroyd has maybe hit the wall this year. It’s the most pro games he’s played. Perhaps he burns hotter for longer next year.

I am also coming round to the idea that a 9 would help the pack a lot, granted the quota spot is probably more needed for the second half back though.

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Quote: Exeter Rhino "Good to see the usual brainless comments about it all being Smith's fault. Did you really expect Leeds to win with the team we had out?

Look at the amount of salary cap sat in the stands, missing in Australia somewhere, or allowed to leave mid-season to play for other clubs. There are questions about management at the club but I fail to see how they can all be laid at the door of the head coach.

By the way, we played the top team in the league today who put in a big performance over 80 minutes.

Let's just say we sack Smith now. Whoever comes into replace him will have his hands tied for the next few years on contracts and the playing roster. It just doesn't make sense to remove him at all. This isn't soccer you know.'"

For me the worst thing we could do now is change the coach: we need time to repair the squad, have a full pre-season and regroup with some fresh blood and new ideas.

Actually a big concern or mine is that pack because it just really isn’t matching the top sides and that needs fixing up.

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Quote: Seth "Tad theres a difference, you can criticise whoever you like, other posters can also disagree. Personally I think there's so much that I like about him and a lot that I don't and I really don't know how the all important opening to next year will go.'"


Agree with this. The way this season has gone, Smith will be under serious pressure if we start the next season in the same vein as 2023. Let's say we're well outside the top 6, 10 games in, and we're potentially looking at another season gone.

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Quote: tad rhino "like I said, can't criticise rohan.
losing happens. losing in that manner, and throughout the season he takes responsibility. he is a nowhere near good enough'"


No one has said you can’t criticise RS.

What you seem to think is that people shouldn’t have a different opinion

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