I think we’ve shown more zip in attack under Furner than I’ve seen from Leeds for some time. The defensive issues seem more to do with individual competency - one on one misses, failing to contest the ball etc.

If you’re losing it’s easy for the finger of blame to come out, but personally I haven’t seen enough to put Furner in the roasting tin.

If you change a boat load of staff in one go, you’re going to lose control of the culture too, which can be a toxic mix if you’re under pressure like we are.

I was afraid that the hope of the new recruits and new season would be shadowed by memories of last year and doubt in ability, and that’s happened.

I expect the playing squad, quality and balance, will be much improved next year assuming we are still in the top flight. I am more patient than most but I don’t think we should be changing the coach yet unless there are significant behind-the-scenes issues.

Assuming the list of players the club wanted rid of was right and hasn't changed, anyone still on it should be sent away on loan. I can't imagine anything more potentially toxic than having someone in that position at work.

There's certainly something not right at Leeds or Wigan, for the good of the game I hope it gets sorted. imagine SL with no Leeds or Wigan but Toronto instead!

The only thing not right is arrogance, arrogance that runs through both clubs. Nothing more than that. When realisation sets in, it will be different and quickly.

Leeds are probably paying the price now for arrogance during the successful years. There are so many variables to success, and it’s a slow moving oil tanker of a thing to change.

Being positive, through whichever means we do seem to have sorted out academy recruitment for a couple of years now, and McLelland and Walters look top signings for the future. Juniors don’t always translate to open age but I can see eight or nine additional academy products playing first grade in the next few years, if we can keep the wheels on in the meantime.

I don’t see any reason why a handful of the Leeds academy players who played for England can’t make it to full international honours.

Bottom line is that our squad simply isn’t good enough; I don’t think we have a single current player in an international team (Watkins being bang out of form and Ward perennially injured). Not one of our players is featuring in MoS mix. Most weeks the three players selected are all from the opposition.

Trying to remain positive and after Friday night it is becoming harder to remain positive, but after 6/7 games into the season still playing Rugby in winter (I thought it was summer Rugby) and numerous changes to both the Coaching team and the playing team we need to show some empathy to the team. Three players and the coach travel over from OZ in their mid summer to Leeds in the middle of winter, more time is needed for these guys to gel and to start the team moving forward. It is a much bigger job than anticipated, just look at the personal who have left over the last 3/4 seasons, and still I like others expected a much better team performance, some poor decisions regarding the team has been made, but on the other hand I have started to understand why the likes of JJB and Ablett were awarded another contract. give them another 6 games see where we are then, once the weather warms up and the grounds harden I think we will start to see a different approach from the team.
Speaking to a Director on Friday after the game if you think they are happy with the situation they are not and they are trying all in their power to turn this around, this is becoming a massive effort from all concerned to make us successful again.

You`ve changed your tune Brodie.
You haven't been bought off have you?
An extra bottle of jubbly during the half time festivities maybe

I’d be looking for an old fullback. I’m a massive fan of walker but I’d say his organisation of the team in defence is poor. Not that it’s all his fault, but I think he contributes to it. Give him someone to work under for a couple of seasons and he’ll be awesome.

I think if you brought in another FB Walker would walk. He has quite a high opinion of his ability and he's not going to wait around being blocked, especially not with the agent in his ears.

I don't have a problem with the younger lads learning on the job a bit, we should give them time. Walker has been rocks and diamonds a bit this year (his performance at Wigan was a shocker), but when he's on his game he's still MoM standard even with his shortcomings. Problem with him I think is that as soon as he's matured he'll be off to the NRL and leave us.

You're right that Walker has a lot of improvement left in his game - the exciting thing is how good he could be in another few years.

Again, amid all the other issues our squad has, for me Walker is way down the list.

Agree about Walker,he thinks he is better than he actually is.He his a good player who could be great but has not got Leeds at heart and would be off in a heartbeat to the NRL.

Completely disagree about Ablett & Jjb also what exactly does "doing all in their power to fix it" mean? We still need 2 props & an explosive BR. Lowes is still here & that hasnt changed either si id take the corporate soundbites with a pinch if salt until things actually do change.

Success in my opinion is built on the foundation of a pack of forwards that has aggression and actually goes forward and especially a solid defensive unit. All things we are lacking at the minute.

Yes we have some issues in the halves and the backs but until we fix the above we will be amongst the also rans.

I think we have enough go forward. Not enough to win the league but enough for now. The defence is an issue but then that’s more than just the forwards responsibility.

But I think the halves are killing us at the moment. The forwards are getting us into decent positions but the halves aren’t taking advantage of them and are killing any momentum we might generate or pressure we might place on the opposition.

Sick of the excuses, when an English player comes over to the NRL and they don’t perform, they’re out. It’s ruthless and that’s how it should be, especially if you’re getting paid the big bucks.