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| Quote: batleyrhino "I don't think he has all the knowledge and experience at the moment, and like anyone moving into a new position he will need to acquire it. What I do believe is that Kevin is intelligent enough, and has shown enough Leadership characteristics, to be afforded the time to develop the skills and knowledge that is required by a CEO. He also has an expert (who's taken his eye off the ball in the last couple of years granted) to teach him over the next year or two.
I actually typed out a much longer and more precise response but my bl00dy connection was lost and so was the post...
Look I was a big fan of Sinfield as a player and captain and I really wish him well in his new role but he actually has no experience or knowledge of running a business as he has not had a real world 'proper job' since he left school. Now that is not to say he will not develop into a good business manager one day but I do think we are expecting too much of the fella.
With a top Aussie coach why do we need a DOR? What can he bring to the table? You are assuming he will take over from GH as CEO but my guess is that PC will want a professional proven manager to run the business when GH retires.
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| Perhaps it’s PC that has approved bringing Kevin back so he can learn from GH before he retires and become exactly what you say PC will want?
Seems like you are arguing with me, but we actually have a similar view that Kevin isn’t CEO material today? Only difference I see in our positions is that I’m more confident than you that he can get to the required standard.
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| Quote: RHINO-MARK "Still unable to accept his hero carrys any blame or accountability whatsoever.'"
Not so. I am critical of BMcD for accepting the lack of major class recruitment from GH. I am also critical of his judgement (and yours) that Sutcliffe should be the replacement for Sinfield when it was obvious (at least to me) at the time that he was not good enough.
As someone who has been calling for BMcD to be sacked since 2011/12 you have had to eat seconds, thirds and fourths of humble pie as he broke all records for a Leeds (and SL) coach. So no surprise that you still don't like anyone sticking up for him.
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| Quote: batleyrhino "Perhaps it’s PC that has approved bringing Kevin back so he can learn from GH before he retires and become exactly what you say PC will want?
Seems like you are arguing with me, but we actually have a similar view that Kevin isn’t CEO material today? Only difference I see in our positions is that I’m more confident than you that he can get to the required standard.'"
I am sure PC approved KS's appointment but I think it was an attempt to motivate the players to stay out of the middle eights and get to Wembley again. I would not be surprised to see GH replaced with a new man quite soon.
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "I am sure PC approved KS's appointment but I think it was an attempt to motivate the players to stay out of the middle eights and get to Wembley again. I would not be surprised to see GH replaced with a new man quite soon.'"
I think it’s more likely that it’s a longer term plan for KS to work with GH until the end of next season before GH retires and KS takes over as CEO.
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| I see Wigan has signed Shaun Edwards for 2020 and Adrian Lam as a stop gap until then
Good forward planning
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| Quote: batleyrhino "Perhaps it’s PC that has approved bringing Kevin back so he can learn from GH before he retires and become exactly what you say PC will want?
Seems like you are arguing with me, but we actually have a similar view that Kevin isn’t CEO material today? Only difference I see in our positions is that I’m more confident than you that he can get to the required standard.'"
When you say PC are you talking Caddick? If so he won’t care less who is CEO, his interests are elsewhere now. Not involved much now. Wanted buying out last year and had buyer, but GH put spanner in works. Instead a private deal done with GH and Oates.
Sinfield always had the makings of higher than coaching. Far more qualified than GH ever was. He just needs to develop in the role.
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| Quote: Gotcha "When you say PC are you talking Caddick? If so he won’t care less who is CEO, his interests are elsewhere now. Not involved much now. Wanted buying out last year and had buyer, but GH put spanner in works. Instead a private deal done with GH and Oates.
Sinfield always had the makings of higher than coaching. Far more qualified than GH ever was. He just needs to develop in the role.'"
I take it you are talking about paper qualifications? Hetherington had real hands on experience of managing the Sheffield club while Sinfield might have had a paper round.
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| Once again this topic as developed into a ing contest
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "I take it you are talking about paper qualifications? Hetherington had real hands on experience of managing the Sheffield club while Sinfield might have had a paper round.'"
Certainly not before that. How do you think GH made his name?
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "But it was others who had alleged that the problem was all the fault of coach BMcD and he had 'lost the dressing room'. Had this been the main reason then there would have been some immediate improvement after he was sacked. Resulting performances if anything have worsened so changing the coach mid season has shown that the main problems are with the players and the lack of recruitment which I argue is down to Hetherington and not BMcD.
Most seem to have forgotten too that for all of BM's time this year we have been unable to select a full strength squad with half the first team unavailable most weeks. Since BMcD has left we have had some of the long term injured back plus 2 short term signings yet still no improvement.
The likes of Sinfield, Maguire, Burrow, Galloway all needed replacements of similar quality. Myler has been a good signing but where are the other three. The squad was well under strength for Mac and is little better for Sinfield.'"
The current sloppy attitude of the players is definitely down to McDermott - the intensity has gradually eroded over his time in charge.
The fact we haven't had a serious assistant coach in all his tenure say much about him and putting his own survival ahead of the club.
To suggest his only major mistake was to think Sutcliffe was a half back is simply laughable.
You need to take your head out of the sand and see things things for what they really are.
McDermott will be at Hull for the 2019 season
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| Wayne Bennett. Now available for 2019. Get it done Gawy.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "McDermott will be at Hull for the 2019 season'"
Personally I doubt it.
However, it would be an interesting barometer of the man's talents.
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto " You are assuming he will take over from GH as CEO but my guess is that PC will want a professional proven manager to run the business when GH retires.'"
My money would be on someone like Rob Oates taking on the commercial role of the club as a Chief Commercial Officer type role, leaving Sinfield to take care of the rugby operations.
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| If Sinfield is being groomed to be football manager/GH Mark2, then it would make sense that we target a young up and coming coach who'd focus just on training and coaching.
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