Tonight proved that an ageing & over worked pack can & will get found out at various stages without rotation.
Changes were needed at the end of 2015 2016 & are STILL needed now on & off the pitch.
Wouldn't surprise me if we hammer ST's then lose to Huddersfield we need freshening up mentally & leadership wise.

On sky sports he seems to blame Parcell for that defeat.
It's time for him to go after that.

This is not a thread for McDermott to go it's a thread of reality.

It's time we as supporters stood up and said enough is enough second in the league but inconsistent and embarrassing after they way we were exposed just the same as Hull did.

What's going on McGuire needs to be stripped of his captaincy not because we are malicious but because he is not up to it. Watch his reaction when cuthbertson knocks on he holds his head and walks away instead of dealing with it. He is a great player but not a leader.

Briscoe well why on earth is he picked Mcd keeps the faith and the rest of the real world just abuses him.

The coach needs to go before we implode he has done well but it feels like he is just taking the money's now, his media skills are appalling and his interviews are unprofessional.

And no I will not go away or join the coach out thread.

Watch him on sky and then tell me you don't believe he is shot a coward blaming one of his players.

Don't really think this is taken in context tbh. He wasn't claiming that our use of the ball was the reason for the defeat, he was just saying that maybe we tried too much and hadn't earned the right to do it at that time of the game. He says we were trying to go around wakey rather than through them and you usually only go around teams once you have won the battle in the middle.

His main reason for the defeat was wakey had a better attitude, were more aggressive, more determined and beat us up.

Really, in what way?

Typically condecending of you, i'll give you that

Shouldn't those who insist on BM being commended after a good win come on and have a dig after a garbage loss?

In other words we deserved to lose. Attitude individually is down to players. As a group its down to the coach.

The point is the coach had no answer to the intelligent question and pointed out an individuals performance.

This was either stupidity on his part or he is miffed that Parcell according to sources is wanting to go back to Australia.

either way it shows how unprofessional he is to even mention a player being at fault!


If anyone thinks that all is well with our team at the moment they are deluded.

Ask yourself one question Joel Moon did I hear his name tonight come to think of it in the hull game did I even hear his name in commentary? I exaggerate to make the point. Not playing the full rotation of the team from the bench, come on the man has to go!

Watch him on Rhinos TV laughing because "Frog' has been beat up in the game and liken his injuries to a fight outside a nightclub honestly the man is unprofessional. his interview after Wigan was I wasn't sure how we would respond as we were flat all week as though the win was a surprise!

If I was Parcell and Cuthbertson I'd be looking to ply my trade elsewhere next year.

Look at Hall gone from being a top class winger to a shadow of his former self in a beaten team and dont get me started on how Watkins has developed this season under our fantastic coach.

My views and my views alone.

Meet me on the town Hall steps in Leeds if we win the Grand final i will do the right thing until then i will continue to be outraged at his comments tonight!!!

As an aside, the YEP review said Trinity are close to signing Baldwinson from next year. Probably a good move if he's not going to get a proper run at Leeds.

expect him to flourish under good coaching

I just heard it and can't hear Parcell's name mentioned, not sure where that is from. Thought what he said was right for once. Although if he was looking for blame, it wouldn't be the 47 tackle Parcell, he would be looking at the six missed tackles of JJB proving very costly, or the fact he has a team mate who doesn't have the mentality anymore to be there and keeps getting picked.

as much as I aren't, and never have been. a macdermott fan, Hetherington has not done him any favours with the lack of young quality recruitment.
having said that he doesn't help himself by leaving young legs on the bench and keeping old, slow players on.

we simply don't have quality in the forwards as a group. too many old, tired legs and not enough energy. teams like wakefield who play at a pace, run at these players will get on top quickly. yes they can still put in an odd performance but week in week out? no chance

Castleford don't seem to have problems unearthing good,young,unknown forwards from around the world, wish we could manage to do the same. JJB,Ablett,Garbutt,Mullally and,sadly Delaney just not up to it any longer. The supporters know it, pity McDermott and Hetherington don't appear to.

Wakefield showed what they were - a pretty average SL side - they didn't win the game because they played fantastic - they played at their normal level Leeds simply failed to show up.

There will be apologists on here who will look to defend the indefensible but you simply cannot avoid how bad Leeds were. The idea that you can have Delaney, Ablett and JJB on the field at the same time is ludicrous yet I would be very surprised if the coach doesn't start those three next week with Ward in the centre. Moon at half doesn't work but the coach will persist with it. Non playing subs will continue - its all good we are second in SL so it must be OK.

Posters like Juan will defend the coach no matter how bad the performance - and according to Printer we have to not comment on how bad it was we have to only post positive stuff - not sure what positives you can take from a coaching and playing performance of that nature

Games like that tell you everything you need to know about the standard of SL - it is at rock bottom. The fact a team as bad as Leeds are 2nd is an embarrassment.

poor forwards and JJB & Ablett costing us penalties is not helping.

So the Wigan game was a 1 off.

thats 3 games out of 4 we have lost. - Back to cup loss blues as we appear to have done for the last 3 years !