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| Quote: Trojan Horse "You know what. I hope we smash Leeds just for these smug comments from a few of you fans. Cas used to be the team I'd like to see take a pounding but lately it's Leeds. While I'm sure the majority are normal fans there always seems to be smug entitled posts from a few suggesting a lowly team like Wakefield shouldn't be allowed to set foot near the quality of Leeds or improve and actually look like they may challenge this year.
I hope we put 50 past you.'"
Hey ! calm down
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "icon_lol.gif
Good to see that this is the best response you've got against the stats
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| Quote: Egg Banjo "Good to see that this is the best response you've got against the stats'"
Stats are rarely funny. People on the other hand...
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| There's so much more to wing play than scoring tries. Canton Brown is going well in a team that offers him plenty of opportunities. There's at least 4/5 wingers better than him in the comp, your own Johnstone among them.
If you put Hall in the Cas or Wigan team he'd be back tO topping try scoring lists like he used to do when Webb and Senior fed him tries on a plate. Hell if you put Hall in Caton-Browns position he'd score the same or more tries, it's just not the way Leeds play these days.
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| Don't think hall would've scored a fair few of the bishop or mcb try's tbh. A lot have been scored through sheer speed from deep.
Almost gone are the days of the big wingmen these days with most of the SL teams preferring players who can finish acrobatically in the corner or have a good speed motor on them.
That said hall is still a good winger just seems speed and technical ability seem all the rage in wingers atm.
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| Quote: Trojan Horse "Don't think hall would've scored a fair few of the bishop or mcb try's tbh. A lot have been scored through sheer speed from deep.
Almost gone are the days of the big wingmen these days with most of the SL teams preferring players who can finish acrobatically in the corner or have a good speed motor on them.
That said hall is still a good winger just seems speed and technical ability seem all the rage in wingers atm.'"
Obviously no one can say for sure, Hall is an excellent finisher, just doesn't get much opportunity to showcase it. Yes he's not the most acrobatic but he's often found other ways to finish, namely bullying his way in at the corner.
It might be swings and roundabouts, Hall would finish some bib wouldn't and vice versa.
It has just been very frustrating to see people disregard Hall, both in terms of SL and internationally, often on little more than 'player x has scored more tries than him'.
In reality so many players finding a better level is good both in terms of our completion and internationals. God we all remember the days of Calderwood and Raynor turning out for internationals don't we?
There's no need for anyone to turn it into an appendage measuring contest.
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| Quote: Barrie's Glass Eye "Obviously no one can say for sure, Hall is an excellent finisher, just doesn't get much opportunity to showcase it. Yes he's not the most acrobatic but he's often found other ways to finish, namely bullying his way in at the corner.
It might be swings and roundabouts, Hall would finish some bib wouldn't and vice versa.
It has just been very frustrating to see people disregard Hall, both in terms of SL and internationally, often on little more than 'player x has scored more tries than him'.
In reality so many players finding a better level is good both in terms of our completion and internationals. God we all remember the days of Calderwood and Raynor turning out for internationals don't we?
There's no need for anyone to turn it into an appendage measuring contest.'"
I'm not disregarding him, he was an excellent winger a few years ago both domestically and internationally. He's still a good winger but unsurprisingly, age has started to take its toll. He isn't the winger he once was and has lost some pace.
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| Be nice if some defensive tightness was shown. Recent SL standards have been shocking so while I wouldn't hope to score 50 I'd be pleased if we restricted them to 3 tries or fewer.
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| Hall's lack of tries is symptomatic of a poor attacking structure. In today's SL a guy his size in a good team ought to be averaging a try a game, which he was pretty much on until Joel Moon arrived. What he can which none of Trinity's wingers can is bang the ball down in the corner with just half a yard of space and close in.
I really don't understand why Leeds for several years haven't focused on setting up tries that way - he needs far less space than a player who relies on speed.
In any event, whilst he's a bit long in the tooth to try the move, Hall would be top of any (very short) list of Sl wingers NRL sides would look at. One area where SL is literally miles behind is sheer physicality in the backs.
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| Baldwinson not even in the 19 then.
Maybe he didn`t play that well in the last few games?
Is Handley in as cover for Golding not being fit?
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| First time this year could be a 1-13 starting line up?
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| Quote: Trojan Horse "Don't think hall would've scored a fair few of the bishop or mcb try's tbh. A lot have been scored through sheer speed from deep.
Almost gone are the days of the big wingmen these days with most of the SL teams preferring players who can finish acrobatically in the corner or have a good speed motor on them.
That said hall is still a good winger just seems speed and technical ability seem all the rage in wingers atm.'"
Total Bull$hit! All the best wingers in the world are huge and powerful. Being able to bring the ball out of yardage and relieve forwards is as if not more important than the eye catching finishes.
Even the smaller wingers in the NRL made Hardaker look like a kid fresh out of the academy in terms of size, strength and speed.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Even sadder state when you get so overexcited by half a season of relevance (not even success just relevance) that you are seriously trying to put together an argument thsy Mason Caton-Brown is better than Ryan Hall.
Jesus even the Huddersfield fans waited until they got to finals before claiming to be the new kings, your 4th. After half a season
Although they may both play on the wing, Hall and MCB are totally different players.
MCB in space will score 10/10, Hall may get caught.
Hall, 20 metres out, with one (or two) to beat will score 9/10, MCB 7/10.
MCB is speed and agility and Hall is speed + power.
The way that TRinity are playing MCB probably suits them better than Hall would although, the opposite is probably true for Leeds.
We'll have to wait until Saturday to see who's right but, Leeds look close to full strength, with Wakefield a few short of their first 17.
It will be a very close game and I'm hoping Wakefield sneak a win
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Stats are rarely funny. People on the other hand...'"
Most people are funny, but you're not - you're just bitter and spiteful - oh and have I already mentioned it, a liar.
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