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| which is why I said partly. rest is rubbish
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| Quote: tad rhino "fair points. but he's also let too many players go on to long, they are no longer either reliable or good enough. it was there to see for all, or those who wanted to see, last season. nothing has changed. no decent kicker, either in game or at goal, no leaders, no quality half back or full back. its easy to do things on the cheap when you have a spine of quality players who are also leaders. when they have gone you need to rebuild.
you strengthen while on top. the rhinos havn't and I see a few seasons of turbelance ahead, I just pray we don't do a Bradford because I can see us struggling massively.
the spine is weak and rudderless. that's the issue'"
Nobody saw last season coming and most on here were predicting even more success.
Not much has changed has it?
I'd have preferred us to bring in a new half back but I'm happy to give the youngsters a go before we do that and while I doubt we'll win anything, top 4 certainly isn't beyond us in 2017.
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| I agree nobody saw last season coming but not to do anything after last season is criminal. at least 2/3 quality players were needed.
as for top 4 bottom 4 would be nearer
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| Quote: tad rhino "I agree nobody saw last season coming but not to do anything after last season is criminal. at least 2/3 quality players were needed.
as for top 4 bottom 4 would be nearer'"
We'll see.
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| Quote: loiner81 "Nobody saw last season coming'"
Rubbish. Despite all the myths on here about writing off etc, quite a few could see what was coming. Bad planning is bad planning. Only the eternal optimists were oblivious to that.
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| So I think the people suggesting we get rid of a player once he gets beyond his peak needs to remember that the foundation the golden decade was built on was loyalty and people buying into the club, whilst potentially sacrificing the highest personal rewards.
If you get rid of the players who have served so well, once they are older I think you'll find loyalty harder to come by in coming generations.
Now, I think the transition could have been managed better, though this may be a failing of the salary cap. I think people need to look at the bigger picture sometimes, though I think our current squad looks like it is the weakest I can remember us starting a season with
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| Quote: The Eagle "So I think the people suggesting we get rid of a player once he gets beyond his peak needs to remember that the foundation the golden decade was built on was loyalty and people buying into the club, whilst potentially sacrificing the highest personal rewards.
If you get rid of the players who have served so well, once they are older I think you'll find loyalty harder to come by in coming generations.
Now, I think the transition could have been managed better, though this may be a failing of the salary cap. I think people need to look at the bigger picture sometimes, though I think our current squad looks like it is the weakest I can remember us starting a season with'"
but you can't have 4/5 players, most in key positions, getting old at once. you have to phase it. and its not just getting rid. you help them take coaching badges, maybe help train them for new jobs within the game.
they wouldn't simply be dumped
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| Quote: Biff Tannen "i'm just struggling trying to recall the days that GH sat in on the signings of Hanley, Lyons, Schofield,Crooks and Iro...'"
Or 'Furness' and 'Anderson' either.
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| Quote: The Eagle "So I think the people suggesting we get rid of a player once he gets beyond his peak needs to remember that the foundation the golden decade was built on was loyalty and people buying into the club, whilst potentially sacrificing the highest personal rewards.
If you get rid of the players who have served so well, once they are older I think you'll find loyalty harder to come by in coming generations.
Now, I think the transition could have been managed better, though this may be a failing of the salary cap. I think people need to look at the bigger picture sometimes, though I think our current squad looks like it is the weakest I can remember us starting a season with'" Has GH best squad ever been rolled out yet!
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| Quote: taxi4stevesmith "Has GH best squad ever been rolled out yet!'" I'm not sure even the Leeds media team could spin this as the best squad
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| Quote: tad rhino "but you can't have 4/5 players, most in key positions, getting old at once. you have to phase it. and its not just getting rid. you help them take coaching badges, maybe help train them for new jobs within the game.
they wouldn't simply be dumped'" agreed. The transition could have been smoother, but in many respects GH had little room to move with salary cap, player loyalty and wage structure
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| Quote: Gotcha "Rubbish. Despite all the myths on here about writing off etc, quite a few could see what was coming. Bad planning is bad planning. Only the eternal optimists were oblivious to that.'"
Is that why you predicted Leeds to finish 3rd after 23 rounds and 4th after the Super 8s?
Maybe i'm missing something but could you point out where these "quite a few" were on the rl2016 prediction threadrl? All I can see is page after page of people predicting top 4 and higher. For Christ's sake, even your daft mate Sal was tipping Leeds to finish top and win the GF
Anyway... Happy New Year Gotcha. Please try harder in 2017.
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| Quote: The Eagle "So I think the people suggesting we get rid of a player once he gets beyond his peak needs to remember that the foundation the golden decade was built on was loyalty and people buying into the club, whilst potentially sacrificing the highest personal rewards.
If you get rid of the players who have served so well, once they are older I think you'll find loyalty harder to come by in coming generations.
Now, I think the transition could have been managed better, though this may be a failing of the salary cap. I think people need to look at the bigger picture sometimes, though I think our current squad looks like it is the weakest I can remember us starting a season with'"
Barrie Mcdermott
Ali
Webb
Senior
Scott Donald
All phased out when they had "something left" then the likes of
Feather Mcdonald & Adamson Etc moved on so it has been done in the past throw in T.Smith Powell & Mclennon i think that proves what some suggesting is anything new disloyal or an extreme move.
This phase of transition has been garbage on/off the pitch & still needs major work imo lets see if GH can recover his " no holds barred" approach.
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| Quote: loiner81 "Is that why you predicted Leeds to finish 3rd after 23 rounds and 4th after the Super 8s?
Maybe i'm missing something but could you point out where these "quite a few" were on the rl2016 prediction threadrl? All I can see is page after page of people predicting top 4 and higher. For Christ's sake, even your daft mate Sal was tipping Leeds to finish top and win the GF
I am not sure what the relevance of that thread prior to last season is? The point here is not where Leeds finish, but how far from been challengers they drop. You will notice from my predictions never contemplating Leeds winning anything. Then posts after and before season stating how we would not win big games, as no leadership (I was very vocal about the captaincy appointment), and no half backs, and a coach who can not develop players. Remind us of the main problems again?
As I said it was quite clear what we were becoming, from poor planning and sticking with the wrong personnel. And this was voiced by may others too,
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| Nice try at moving the goalposts Gotcha but when I said "nobody saw last season coming" you came diving in with "rubbish"
So me posting a pre-season prediction thread that included you predicting a top 4 finish and pretty much every other poster predicting the same, or in most cases much higher, has EVERYTHING to do with it.
Happy New Year.
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