and the performances n the games that 'did matter'? mostly garbage

We won.

A bit like the games against Hull and Wigan - would you not agree - far more riding on the Widnes game than either of those two!!

we did indeed. but I take it you were happy with the performances then? bodes well for next year doesn't it?

Not today though or did the stadium scoreboard get it wrong?

Every game matters that is what being a professional is all about - I would have been embarrassed to lose today regardless of the circumstance, this is a team that conceded 40+ points in one half to a championship side!!

I honestly don't see how you think this side can challenge for honours next season even with a proper hooker based on two performances against sides that have been inconsistent all year.

Ok that's your opinion, no going on about it like it's a FACT that we will struggle next year will make it true now.

You honestly couldn't see how I thought we could challenge for honours in 2015 around this point two years ago and derided me on that occasion too.

The question was will we be challenging next year, not will some guys on the internet be entertained by the performances. So if the point is are we challenging next year and last time I checked, winning games and picking up 2 points regularly will do that, just look at Wigan's season, not played a lot of the year but well in the mix now.

but you're a 'guy on the internet' who thinks we will be fine?

we are slowly getting worse. older players a year older, no changes, at the moment.
impossible to see how we can be any better.
st least we won't have the SPOTY to distract us in pre season

I can not believe despite continually saying I won't, that I have just sat through this same 5h1te again. Loyal support means nothing to this club at the moment. This is simply the worst Leeds team I have ever seen. We have had worse players, that is not debatable, but never a team as badly coached and with such a poor attitude running through it.

Those that think all is ok, I really don't believe they are that stupid, I would guess that those people probably don't attend ten games between them a season added together. They certainly haven't watched us this season to have such naivety. To be fair I always expected to get beat by Huddersfield, not because of the last few weeksm but because I just don't think we can beat them at their place with this spineless lot.

You either have to make big player changes, of small changes with a new coaching line up. The current set up doesn't work, and will continue to not work.

No one told him to loan out 3 of our players

2015 was the last season for two extraordinary players and as such a one off - it was the only season in the last 4 the team made the GF let alone win it.

With the best will in the world I can't see how this squad is strong enough on the evidence of the last 12 weeks which Wigan and Hull apart they have played the poorest sides in SL and some teams not even in SL. Yes they have been winning games but against who the majority of the time.

Lets hope it doesn't rain in December

Do you really think that he made those deals or GH did?

surely he had a say? he's the coach!

I would have loaned them to btw

Sorry, didn't realise I couldn't take into account having Sinfield and Peacock still here when predicting our chances in 2015. True it is the only season we have won the GF in the last four, but then again I don't believe the question was "will we win the GF next year", it was will we be challenging.



Ok, but no amount of repeating it from the same posters weekly will actually make it fact at this moment in time.

He may have had a say on who which 3 went but I imagine the idea to loan Fev some players was something arranged by GH and Fev. If GH wants to keep the DR arrangement going with them I'm sure he couldn't turn around and say "no you can't have anyone" and expect them to be happy to continue the arrangement next year......I hardly suspect McDermott walked into GH's office and said "Here Gary can you send these 3 off to Fev for me"