Brexit campaign boosted by defection of Baroness Warsi to Remain camp.

Quote: DHM "Brexit campaign boosted by defection of Baroness Warsi to Remain camp. "Her announcement was greeted with bemusement by Leave campaigners, who said they were not aware that the Muslim peer had ever been a Brexit supporter".'" Whilst I don't care one jot what Sayeeda Warsi thinks, and don't see her defection as any sort of real boost, the reaction to it has been instructive. Plain lies from Brexit campaigners like Daniel Hannan who have actually shared Leave platforms with her, paranoid imaginings that she was some sort of sleeper agent put into the Brexit campaign by Number 10 (because No 10 and Warsi *love* each other...), and the vileness of reaction that has increasingly become the hallmark of a certain sort of Brexiteer (www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/eu-re ... 75796.html)

Quote: DHM "Brexit campaign boosted by defection of Baroness Warsi to Remain camp. "Her announcement was greeted with bemusement by Leave campaigners, who said they were not aware that the Muslim peer had ever been a Brexit supporter".'" Whilst I don't care one jot what Sayeeda Warsi thinks, and don't see her defection as any sort of real boost, the reaction to it has been instructive. Plain lies from Brexit campaigners like Daniel Hannan who have actually shared Leave platforms with her, paranoid imaginings that she was some sort of sleeper agent put into the Brexit campaign by Number 10 (because No 10 and Warsi *love* each other...), and the vileness of reaction that has increasingly become the hallmark of a certain sort of Brexiteer (www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/eu-re ... 75796.html)

Quote: craigizzard "Whilst I don't care one jot what Sayeeda Warsi thinks, and don't see her defection as any sort of real boost, the reaction to it has been instructive. Plain lies from Brexit campaigners like Daniel Hannan who have actually shared Leave platforms with her, paranoid imaginings that she was some sort of sleeper agent put into the Brexit campaign by Number 10 (because No 10 and Warsi *love* each other...), and the vileness of reaction that has increasingly become the hallmark of a certain sort of Brexiteer ( The internet and twitter in general is full of nice people, had my share from UKIPers on Twitter in the past - been called a traitor and a "lefty bigot" (whatever the f*** that is). Worse if you happen to be a woman as well. However, if someone had simply said, "Self promoting brainless gasbag looks for publicity by jumping to side now ahead in polls", then fair enough. But I can't really take much notice of what anyone is saying in the media at the moment from either camp, still if we leave I'll be looking forward to Osbournes emergency budget of doom, www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36534192, the end of western civilization, www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ation.html closely followed by a total security collapse www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/06/15 ... ato-poland and of course the Apocalypse.

Quote: craigizzard "Whilst I don't care one jot what Sayeeda Warsi thinks, and don't see her defection as any sort of real boost, the reaction to it has been instructive. Plain lies from Brexit campaigners like Daniel Hannan who have actually shared Leave platforms with her, paranoid imaginings that she was some sort of sleeper agent put into the Brexit campaign by Number 10 (because No 10 and Warsi *love* each other...), and the vileness of reaction that has increasingly become the hallmark of a certain sort of Brexiteer ( The internet and twitter in general is full of nice people, had my share from UKIPers on Twitter in the past - been called a traitor and a "lefty bigot" (whatever the f*** that is). Worse if you happen to be a woman as well. However, if someone had simply said, "Self promoting brainless gasbag looks for publicity by jumping to side now ahead in polls", then fair enough. But I can't really take much notice of what anyone is saying in the media at the moment from either camp, still if we leave I'll be looking forward to Osbournes emergency budget of doom, www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36534192, the end of western civilization, www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ation.html closely followed by a total security collapse www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/06/15 ... ato-poland and of course the Apocalypse.

IIRC, Juan used to think the IFS were a fair arbiter - perhaps he still does.

What was their Brexit cost analysis for the last year of this parliament (the year of the long awaited mythical Gideon surplus) between minus £20,000,000,000 and minus £40,000,000,000 ?

So just so we are clear. You think that the following are experts in the UK economy: AA Gill (food and tv critic) Obama (lame duck US President) the IMF (Paris based outfit who had to apologise to UK for getting their economic predictions for UK so badly wrong) outgoing Bank of England boss with an awful record of forecasting interest rate changes (was Osborne appointee ex Goldman Sax banker and likely returnee to a leading economic crash bank) and various hacks from the media. Also why would a doctor or educationalist know anything more than even you with regard to the UK economy or business. Just surprised you didn't name Desparate Dan too.

Here are somes names of UK big business men for you to google. Sir James Dyson (Dyson) Sir Anthony Bamford (JCB) Joe Foster (Reebock) John Cauldwell (Phones4U) Nigel Wilson (Legal & General) John Timpson (Timpsons)

No I did not ask for links to opinions Eddie. I said I would be happy to respond to the dreaded experts you spoke of. You just gave me a list of articles and stated most were written by experts. I have pointed out that most were not written by experts just celebrities. The only so called experts all had serious flaws in their record of predictions hence I why their opinions are flawed.

How does anyone know what effect a Brexit would have on the health service or universities etc? This is pure speculation. And why would a doctor know any more than you about the economic effect and how would they have time to study this as I thought they say they work 70 hours a week. I guess some of these think they may lose their EU funding and fail to realise this is really our taxpayers money part returned anyway.

With regard to the Dandy I thought you should broaden your reading.

I am not doubting the number of bankers and fat cats that wish the status quo to remain as they and their 35,000 lobbyists in Brussels persude the unelected EU commissioners to fix the rules in their favour. This is at the heart of the problem. Vote Leave and claim back our soverienty before it is too late. You will live to regret it if you don't.

Quote: Juan Cornetto "I am not doubting the number of bankers and fat cats that wish the status quo to remain as they and their 35,000 lobbyists in Brussels persude the unelected EU commissioners to fix the rules in their favour. This is at the heart of the problem. Vote Leave and claim back our soverienty before it is too late. You will live to regret it if you don't.'" Oh look. George Soros has just said exactly what I've been saying, albeit in more detail. Speculation? Yes. All predictions are to some degree speculation, even yours. But Soros has long been the world's best speculator, with peerless knowledge of current and historical market dynamics, while you're stuck on bogus arguments about sovereignty. He also explains his case: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... orge-soros Pesky experts, or is it celebrities? By the way, I notice that they're only 'fat cats' when they're disagreeing with you. The few on your side of the argument are 'businessmen'.

Quote: Juan Cornetto "I am not doubting the number of bankers and fat cats that wish the status quo to remain as they and their 35,000 lobbyists in Brussels persude the unelected EU commissioners to fix the rules in their favour. This is at the heart of the problem. Vote Leave and claim back our soverienty before it is too late. You will live to regret it if you don't.'" Oh look. George Soros has just said exactly what I've been saying, albeit in more detail. Speculation? Yes. All predictions are to some degree speculation, even yours. But Soros has long been the world's best speculator, with peerless knowledge of current and historical market dynamics, while you're stuck on bogus arguments about sovereignty. He also explains his case: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... orge-soros Pesky experts, or is it celebrities? By the way, I notice that they're only 'fat cats' when they're disagreeing with you. The few on your side of the argument are 'businessmen'.

I am not surprised your wife doesn't want to listen to you with your views based on made up fear from the fat cats.

Soros is so powerful he can influence the market both by words and deed. If he decides he is going to sell short on a currency/company then the market/sheep will follow. It is all about his reputation and the laziness of his competitors.

Given the huge sums he is prepared to gamble you only need a small movement for him to make a fortune. You didn't need to be a genius to work out that tying the £ in the ERM would lead to a meltdown he just had access to more funds to prove the point that closer currency union with Europe is a disaster

bankers and fatcats like the TUC? GMB? Unison? CWU? NFU? Kofi Annan? Sir Stephen Hawking? Sir Tim Berners-lee?