and then we have John Kear pundit/coach and yes a winger, cringe worthy just listening too JP talk he's so full of him self

They've got a hooker, a loose forward and a pair of props in the commentary box and none of them make any sense at all.

I'm not entirely sure what Peacock's point is but anyone who has watched those DVD's of the GB Tri Nations tour down under in 2006 will know that it was the winger (Brian Carney - GB vice captain) doing most of the talking in the dressing room pre-game, half time and post game rather than (Peacock - GB captain).

Peacock's dressing room contribution after Carney had spoken at length to the rest of the players was often nothing more than to shout out... [i"Come on lads, lets now get out there and f****** smash 'em!"[/i

Well McDermott's comment on targeting 4th place looks on the mark now!. Pity he did not finish the sentence that he was referring to the middle 8s - MOT

Carney and Wells, putting rugby to one side are very intelligent men.

I'd rather listen to them than the original source material for Bo Selecta's Mel B impression.

Absolutely. Carney spoke with so much passion and did everything he could to lift great Britain. I like JP but if that his point it's massively disrespectful .

two reasonably well spoken persons with university degrees.

He's already looking like an idiot. The team has not improved since week one and that is down to the coach. Points scored242, against 380 i.e -138
it doesn't take a genius to realise that they they need to tackle, tackle, tackle. Forget the attack just tackle the opposition into the ground. If you stop them scoring you've got a point already but NOTHING has been done to shore up the defence all season!

Hardaker has been in dreadful form all season at fullback. I do not know if he has been carrying an injury but he has looked slow of foot and slow of thought. Like many players that rely mainly on their physique he will not be as good once he loses some physical advantage which has happened. Other teams realise he is not going to pass and have him worked out and he looks like a busted flush this year. Last night he too was thrown around like a rag doll and when he was moved back to fullback as Cas took their foot off the gas he still looked insecure and as bad as he has been all year. I would look to try and cash in on his past reputation and get rid.

Golding was one of the few to keep trying last night and has shown he has the mental toughness and enthusiasm to not to dent his confidence but with forwards not tackling around the legs he had had a busy evening with breaks coming all over the field.

Hardaker has been a shadow of last seasons player, but he has been a million miles from dreadful. One of our better performers despite his downturn in form. He certainly hasn't given a performance yet this season has bad as Golding last night, but I see the hypocritical comments you are making there.

Hardaker was woeful last night, easily in the bottom 3 performances. Golding did OK and kept working hard to try prevent Cas on the numerous occasions they broke through. One of only 4/5 guys to come out with a tiny bit of credit for effort last night.

All time best coach Wayne Bennett guess,WINGER.

A despicable, humiliating and embarrassing quote .....
Leeds Rhinos are "incredibly energised despite poor form" insists Gary Hetherington.

Well that's a relief !!! for a minute there, I just thought I was watching a really really rubbish team who were massively low on energy ?

Golding is enthusiastic and he made a good one on one tackle in the second half on Solomona. His positioning is quite poor for a full-back though as Dorn and Wells pointed out after the game for the second Dorn try and that happens often. Another example was the Ormsby try at Huddersfield two weeks ago, when he stood static wide left behind four Leeds goal line defenders instead of taking a more central position. Jones-Buchanan does his usual charge up in his one man defensive line and Golding enthusiastically gets over but too late. He does a lot of getting places just too late.

Not wanting to bag anyone specifically for last night they were all (Galloway apart) terrible for Leeds.

I thought Keinhorst tried hard & at least seemed to make most of his tackles unlike the arm-flapping efforts of most of the rest.