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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "I've watched the game again (I was there on Saturday) Watkins had 11 carries for 53 metres, Batman had 14 carries for 100 metres) Bateman carried the ball further than any English back.
In his games for Leeds Watkins normally has 14 - 15 carries, so it's not a BIG difference. he also had to make 20 tackles on Saturday, he normally averages 15. I would suggest that the major problem on Saturday was a completion rate of 64% by England as against 80% by New Zealand. That would probably explain Watkins having less ball than normal.'"
1. Batman didn't play on Saturday, he was injured when Bane tackled him
2. Translation - "Stop picking on a player from Wigan"
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25511_1478008518.jpg "Well, I think in Rugby League if you head butt someone there's normally some repercusions":d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_25511.jpg |
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| Quote: Middleton_Loiner "1. Batman didn't play on Saturday, he was injured when Bane tackled him
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Back injury I heard. Should be back in action after a short training montage.
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
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| Good news - McNamara has included an extra HB in this weeks 19 man squad.
Bad news - it's Matty Smith, not Luke Gale.
McGillivery also in the 19 with Westwood and Cudjoe (so Bateman will stay at centre) dropping out.
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| As poor as Williams was in game 2, I would rather play him with his arms tied behind his back, his feet in shackles & blindfolded than play Smith.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Good news - McNamara has included an extra HB in this weeks 19 man squad.
Bad news - it's Matty Smith, not Luke Gale.
McGillivery also in the 19 with Westwood and Cudjoe (so Bateman will stay at centre) dropping out.'"
3 wingers? WTF? Must be thinking of playing Burgess at centre. Now, the question is which Burgess?
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23603_1336678755.jpg "Look, I'd never use injuries as an excuse..." Daryl Powell:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_23603.jpg |
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| Quote: Middleton_Loiner "1. Batman didn't play on Saturday, he was injured'"
Holy hernia!
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| Quote: tigertot "As poor as Williams was in game 2, I would rather play him with his arms tied behind his back, his feet in shackles & blindfolded than play Smith.'"
Whoops. Thought Smith's kicking game was excellent today and deserved MOM. Old biscuit legs (as some would call him here) was great all tournament too. Widdop faultless with the boot and McGilvary was excellent too. Thought whole squad had a good game today, except Watkins who fluffed a lot.
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| Quote: _dyl_ "Whoops. Thought Smith's kicking game was excellent today and deserved MOM. Old biscuit legs (as some would call him here) was great all tournament too. Widdop faultless with the boot and McGilvary was excellent too. Thought whole squad had a good game today, except Watkins who fluffed a lot.'"
Watkins wax really poor. But thought biscuit legs, as you say, was poor too. Great try, but overall poor. How to dumb down an award by having Noble pick for one of his blue eyed boys. Not even top 15 player of series. Hiku for me was man of series.
Smith had a really good first half, set the platform. And showed how good Widdop is when the workload is shared unlike last week.
Really pleased for McGilvary, who deserved that game, best English winger this year by a long way.
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| Quote: Gotcha "Watkins wax really poor. But thought biscuit legs, as you say, was poor too. Great try, but overall poor. How to dumb down an award by having Noble pick for one of his blue eyed boys. Not even top 15 player of series. Hiku for me was man of series.
Smith had a really good first half, set the platform. And showed how good Widdop is when the workload is shared unlike last week.
Really pleased for McGilvary, who deserved that game, best English winger this year by a long way.'"
Pretty much agree with all this except I thought O'Loughlin was a lot better than poor in tests 1 & 3.
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| Yeah no way should O'Loughlin have been near the Man of the Series award. Was poor for the first 50 mins at Hull before a good last 15 mins, one of many not to really do anything in London and today he played ok but not Man of Series quality.
If going for an England player then perhaps Tom Burgess who really stood up this year. The likes of Ferres, Roby and Hill did well also.
Matty Smith played good today (Wigan fans must be wondering where that kind of performance was in the GF and many other times this year). Watkins had a shocker pure and simple but we know he's better than that it was just one of those days for him. McGillivary was very strong, but did think his positioning defensively at times needs work (whilst I understand he was doing a sweeping job for the Kiwis last try, he came too far across towards Hardaker). Hardaker was decent but he hasn't really done enough to nail his name to the 1 shirt for next year, it's still as up for grabs as it was this year.
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| Disagree on Hiku being any good, he's nowhere near being an international, or even club, half back. That was exactly the position NZ were lacking in - nobody controlling the 5th and 6th tackle - Hiku was good for barging the ball up and half breaking the line but that was that, and he never but teammates through the gaps he'd half made either. With Johnson or Foran instead of him, then I think NZ would have won comfortably. HIku's a decent centre/wing but not in a million years a stand-off.
Can't really think of a "man-of-the-series" (other than the generous Thaler) which suggests both teams were pretty underwhelming over the three games. James Graham was decent but not great in all 3, and I think Tohu Harris was NZ's best.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Matty Smith played good today (Wigan fans must be wondering where that kind of performance was in the GF and many other times this year). Watkins had a shocker pure and simple but we know he's better than that it was just one of those days for him. McGillivary was very strong, but did think his positioning defensively at times needs work (whilst I understand he was doing a sweeping job for the Kiwis last try, he came too far across towards Hardaker). Hardaker was decent but he hasn't really done enough to nail his name to the 1 shirt for next year, it's still as up for grabs as it was this year.'"
Smith plays better when conditions are heavy under foot like today, he can get caught by a rushing defense when conditions suit a fast game, smith has always been a good player when he has time + space.
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18919_1341147656.jpg [quote="King Monkey":30st820n]Maybe a spell in prison would do Graham good.
At least he'd lose his virginity.[/quote:30st820n]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_18919.jpg |
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| Smith's performance wasn't anything special, it just shows how poor Widdop, and Williams were in providing basic structure, and control, and a solid (if unspectacular) kicking game. Widdop was rubbish again, and offers nothing. I hope an SL half back can have a excellent 2016 season, because we need one.
McGilvery was great with the ball, and poor without it. Watkins was poor with the ball, and good without it.
On the whole, we have a solid platform to work on. Add Tomkins to the halves, and Reed to that back line and it looks strong, Roby, and Hodgson work well rotating, and the props are as good as any in the game. I didn't think Graham looked the same player in this series, he didn't seem to pass the ball as much as previous England games.
The back row is a concern though, Ferres was the best of the lot, and Whitehead was good today, but poor in the first 2 games, Farrell tackles well, but that should be the bare minimum a 2nd rower should be providing at international level. I'd replace him with Bateman, or Flanders, and play Sammy B or Graham at LF.
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| Good win in a proper test match at last. Halves were better, Widdop was very good in defence and Smith's timing with his passes was much more like it.
Not sure why people are using the word "shocker" to describe Watkins, he dropped his first pass, then showed why he's so dangerous, slipped many tackles and looked for offloads. Support play around him was pretty ordinary.
Performance of the day goes to John Kear who made me smile with his relentless enthusiasm through the whole match. Enjoyed the game and a great result for, what is in the main, a very talented bunch of players.
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18919_1341147656.jpg [quote="King Monkey":30st820n]Maybe a spell in prison would do Graham good.
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| Quote: DHM "
Performance of the day goes to John Kear who made me smile with his relentless enthusiasm through the whole match. Enjoyed the game and a great result for, what is in the main, a very talented bunch of players.'"
I find the BBC's RL coverage so much better than Sky's. Dave Woods is annoying, but they concentrate on the rugby, and hardly mention the referee which is the antithesis of what sky do.
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