On Hall his defensive positioning has been poor in recent weeks and his mobility would also be a concern for me. If you look at Moon how many opportunities is he setting up for his winger? His defending is definitely a notch down on last year but then so is the whole team

What seems to have been overlooked/ignored in the "no try" decision by everyone except Carney is Tomkins starting position.
He comes from 3 or 4 metres from his right to the left, ie an incorrect defensive read. When he realises this he sticks out his right leg which is what Watkins brushes against then throws up his arms. That is what Silverwood sees.
Re Carney has anyone else noticed the increasing friction/tension between him & Stevo?
Carney increasingly is questioning Stevo's comments/statements much to Stevo's annoyance.
He's now starting to do the same to Cummins with the same effect.
Hemmings is stepping in to calm Stevo down.
I love it.

I still believe the only reason the try was chalked off was because McGuire ran behind Watkins before passing, you could see this because the VR ran the play a number of times and kept stopping as McGuire passed the ball. This is pinged all over the park under the rules when no physical obstruction takes place and I believe this left the VR with no option under those same rules.

But McGuire doesn't run behind him. It's Singleton isn't it that is pulled and who passes?

was it, sorry I assumed it was Mags. I was watching on a dodgy website and the quality wasn't brilliant, that and other distractions in the room didn't help. Either way I believe that was the reason for it being chalked off.

You rush to these outlandish judgments a lot. Is Keinhorst still "never a Super League player" or do you no longer have a hole in your arris?

I try to console myself with the fact that Leeds had the benefit of the worst decision EVER in Super League...and that was the Tansey Try vs Bradford

Exactly. What if he'd have let that last play with Ablett play on and we score and he THEN checks for the VR? Sure he can send it upstairs as a no try but what if Ablett was tackled 20m short and then got a quick PTB away and we scored? Too late to check then.

One occasion he blew straight away for obstruction, the other he let play continue until we scored.

Nope.

It was correct under the 2014 interpretation, which was that if you carry the ball behind one of your own players it's a penalty irrespective of where the defenders are. However, players, coaches, fans and journalists moaned so much about that interpretation that it was changed for this year.

A defender now has to be materially disadvantaged by the dummy runner (i.e. prevented from making the tackle). There were other incidents last night where a player ran behind team-mates and Silverwood called play-on, pointing out that nobody had been impeded.

That Stuart Cummings (albeit retired, but a former head of referees) hasn't even bothered to keep himself up to date despite that being the whole point of his role with Sky doesn't distract from the fact that under the 2015 interpretation, that isn't obstruction.

On the Aiton one late in the game, how was that different to what Craig Huby did in the game at Headingley for one of Huddersfield's tries where he just stepped into Cuthbertson?

Last season it was pinged when no physical obstruction takes place. This reason the interpretation is *supposed* to have change to remove that farce

Silverturd and co's inept performance aside i thought we had some very good spells but also some p!$$ poor ones.
Ablett and Mcguire must be the thickest 2 players we have (when Jjb is missing) for conceding needless dumb stupid penalties and our defence in open play at times was pathetic imo far too many "Andy Hay" efforts for my liking.
On the upside some of the passing and movement was sublime ,Aiton daft penalty aside was outstanding and Handley again had a very good game.
Cuthbertson has to be our best signing in a long time and must be in the running for MOS.

wish I had a pound for every ablett ball steal penalty

Cummings said something about it being different because it was near to the try line - I think he makes things up!

he didnt say that during the hudds-leeds game earlier this year, weirdly enough