Least with Ablett you'll see some line breaks and some attacking options.

Haha..."nurse - the screens please..."

Haha...."You should have gone to specsavers"

Ablett has had a good season, but he's not in the same league as O'loughlin as a loose forward. When asked at the awards night who he thought should have been MOS Jamie Peacock had no hesitation in saying "Lockers, I voted for him"

Jeff Lima says Lockers is the best player he has ever played with and would walk into any Aussie side. Pat Richards said something very similar at the Wigan end of season dinner on Sunday night.

Someone's clearly still sauced from Saturday.

Yes I guess mine are cherry and white and yours are blue and gold.

Perhaps we will agree to disagree. You say that Carl Ablett is a better Loose Forward than Sean O'Loughlin.

Given that it is one of the key positions in the team I wonder why Carl has never been chosen to play Loose Forward for England, perhaps you are seeing something through your specs that no-one else in the Rugby League world (including 99% of Leeds fans) sees

If Peacock voted for him, it will have been to aid his own chances of winning MOS. It was an absolute joke of the award that O'Loughlin was even a nominee on that list, considering the amount of game time he has had.

Jeff Lima may well have said that, but probably 4 years ago, and considering the brain on that guy that really isn't much of an endorsement.

Ablett is very much in the same league as O'Loughlin, only a much more devastating runner, and better handling skills.

Well the fact that Ablett is a wide running 2nd row and not a LF might have something to do with it.

Speaking of whom will play LF for England, I think Sam Burgess is nailed on for that position.

I could say I also wonder why, but then again I just realise that there has hardly been many internationals since Ablett put himself in the frame, and probably that being the reason.

I should also point out I am not suggesting Ablett for Loose for England in the world cup, that should be Burgess. I am mearly pointing out, that I think there is better than O'Loughlin. It isn't a Wigan thing either, I just don't think he is all that.

I always thought that a good LF should combine running hard like a prop with passing like a half back. O'Loughlin is the only candidate who combines those skills.

As I say again - the best player in the best team in Super League.

Sean O'Loughlin isn't as good as Wigan fans seem to think he is (nobody's that good....) and I'd take serious issue with him being the best player in Super League. I do like him as a player though and he might well be the best loose forward in Super League. I'd want him on the pitch for England in the Autumn. I would also want Sinfield and Sam Burgess on the pitch. Which is complicated.

However, what is clearly a bit of a nonsense is the poster above saying that some players shouldn't be selected becasue of past failures against the Aussies, but O'Loughlin should definitely play. I agree he should play, but your own logic dictates that he shouldn't. For me, this shows that your logic is flawed.

I guess, if I take it as gospel that the Aussi-based players have been playing well as people who care about the NRL have told me, I'd go with something like:

Tomkins
Charnley
Watkins
Cudjoe
Hall

Sinfield
Widdop

Graham
Roby
G. Burgess
S.Burgess
Ablett
O'Loughlin

Hill
T.Burgess
Hock
McIlorum

(McIlorum's frankly superb showing on the big occasion having finally won me over at the weekend).

I also don't really mind exactly what order that back row lines up in. Ablett has been superb this year, and in a match day 17 also gives you an option should there be an injury to one of your three quarters.

I could be tempted by the Hardaker at full back and Tomkins to half instead of Widdop idea. But resisted temptation for now.

2004 tri nations? for GB
2010 four nations?

Once off the bench in 2004 in a tournament that England won and he didn't play against Australia in 2010 Ben Westwood played at 13.

England didn't win the 2004 4 tri nations.