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| Quote: thebloodbath "Vile
Don't take things too seriously
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| I keep hearing about how much we "flogged" Peacock last year and how this is going to have a detrimental effect on his performances.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in September and October last year he didn't look like a prop that had been "flogged" for the preceding 7-8 months,
Jamie Peacock can give you 60-70 minutes of solid impact, 32 weeks a year that will get you by at domestic level.
And Bloodbath, given League Freak's usual MO, that's just as likely to be a dig at FC fans as it is Leeds
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| Did Peacock's dip in form coincide with negotiation of his contract extension, perhaps under less favourable terms than he might have wished for?
I only ask because the fatigue theory isn't watertight for me. Why, for example, wasn't he most fatigued at the season's end?
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| Quote: thebloodbath "Vile
he really isn't one of ours, in fact, I doubt anyone would admit to him being one of theirs, and he's too short to reach the porn shelf, which explains why he's such an angry vile little Aussie.
hope it's a great game tonight and enjoyed by all.
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| Quote: RhinoLaney "Heard Hull FC have sold out there allocation for this evening.
Oh joy.'"
Thanks xx
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| Leeds by 6 points tonight.
See what you make of my other predictions right here;
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| Quote: rhinoms "I disagree far too often we flogged him in games that were lost causes failed to rotate him and kylie and he suffered form wise if not determination and fire wise.
What do we gain by playing hm against Widnes or keeping him on the pitch for an hour against Wigan at home or Wire and ST's away when we battered??
He was very very good in the P/O's and the CC games (final aside) but whatever numbers are put out he showed his age and battle wear and tear more than once as did Kylie.
I'm not saying he should have every other week off or just play 10 minutes a half but we need to manage his gametime better.
We have to get more out of the other Props because no matter what anybody thinks he's on borrowed time and we need to get others involved to take up some of the workload as to not lose so much when the inevitable happens.'"
You say he lacked consistency:
Yet JP was our best and most consistent forward last season with performances up with the best props in SL.
You say that he should be rested more because we overplayed him and that had a negative effect on his form and performance yet:
JP was our best offloader and 2nd best in SL
JP was our 2nd best metre maker (only 9m behind WBW Hall!)
JP made the 2nd most carries and the most of any of our forwards
JP was our 2nd best tackler (249 more than our next best prop who incidentally is Kylie the other one you think should not play as often)
JP was our 2nd best marker tackler making 75% more than our next best prop.
I say again JP thrives on work and will not improve sitting on the bench. You imply the coach was "flogging" him but JP flogs himself it is the way he has always played. Playing did not effect his form and the proof was his form at the end of the season which rather disproves your point.
You say we should bring other lesser players in so we are ready when JP hangs up his boots. Well you could argue the same for Sinfield Burrow and McGuire.
Sure we can rotate the bigger squad more this year but for the majority of games I say pick the best team.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Friendlies apart, I can't think of many times in recent years where Kirke has been named at anything other than prop when he's been in the starting lineup, or replaced anyone other than a prop when he's come off the bench.'"
He has pretty much been prop since Peacock & Burgess got injured at Castleford just before the 2010 CC Final. Before that in '09 and '10 the usual 4 props in the matchday 17 were -
Peacock
Leuluai
Bailey
Burgess
We saw out the end of 2010 with
Leuluai
Bailey
Kirke
Eastwood (also switching from second row.....and being much better)
When McDermott came in he clearly wasn't keen on Cross, and he wasn't playing a clearly-bound-for-Sydney Burgess too much. He played with
Leuluai
Bailey
Kirke
Cross/Burgess
As soon as Peacock returned then Cross and Burgess left the club.
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| JC-So by your reckoning his form never dropped then??
Well he looked way off against Wire (a) ST's(a) Wigan (h+a) ordinary at best against the likes of Wakey away ,Giants away etc etc.
The figures and stats dont show how he and our pack got battered at times last year and showed their age whether he thrives on 60mins+ a game last year showed he couldn't maintain it and the actual game footage shows that not numbers.
You can be good across the board in numbers but actual perfiormances are what count stats are a guideline not the be all and end all.
I stick by my opinion and the opinion of what i saw live at games last year we wont get away with it this year especially as both he and Kylie are 1 year closer to retirement and the brutal roles they play insists they cant go on forever.
Pre-planning prevents p!$$ poor performance and imo we should start the process to prepare for the loss of the 2 now.
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| Sitting on the bench a bit more may or may not help Peacock, but it clearly didn't help Griffin getting only 20 odd mins in games or Moore hardly getting a game. The forwards need to be viewed as a group, not as an individual and that has probably been Leeds' problem at times in the past. Too much looking towards Peacock and not sharing the workload, similar scenerio caught Saints out in GF's when they started to rely to heavily on James Graham and others didn't put their hand up.
With 4 props in a 17 you could share the workload 25% each, or going on the basis that your starters are usually better go for your starters doing 30% each and the 2 subs 20% each.
Doesn't or shouldn't have to be Peacock doing 50% of the workload and the other 3 sharing the other 50% between them.
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| As probably expected with Leuluai's absence, Bailey is starting the game.
The 13 as expected. Subs are Clarkson, Kirke, Achurch and McShane (thankfully).
Griffin misses out and guessing that Achurch is going to come on in the front row and with Leuluai to return, that must make Griffin 6th choice prop now.
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| Great performance from you're lot, it's got to be said Peacock looked awesome out there, made big meters and he was a nightmare to get down.
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| Sublime from Leeds tonight!
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| - Massively better defensively.
- Good making metres upfield.
- Bit unorganised/sloppy when we got to the final 20m in the 1st half but credit Hull's energy for that, once they got tired out in the 2nd we broke through.
- Kicking game downfield very good, minus a few dodgy cross field attempts from Sinfield.
- Moon, Peacock, Burrow, Sinfield and McGuire all big games.
- We were on the recieving end of some quite soft calls from Ganson which was really the only reason Hull had hope for 55 mins.
- Great to see things like Sinfield kicking from the scrum from Leeds' own 20m for Watkins to chase, the game was won but they were trying to keep it entertaining when others would have been up the jumper, likewise the effort for Hall's try.
- .......and finally, WTF are the refs/touch judges wearing????
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