Don't try it on with feeble insults, you're doing it to the wrong person. You decided all on your own that you were going to define a stand off, but you couldn't even manage that, all you could do was type a players name.

I don't know why you bother anymore to be honest, you've dug a huge hole for yourself over Kevin Sinfield and you are just trying to bully your way out of it like you do when you lose every argument.

Comparing an impressionist with a leader in the pop art movement is like comparing a banana and a naan bread. So can you define why they are considered great artists (and in an exam you wouldn't be able to just put - "it's obvious" - zero mark there for Sal) ? Or were they the first two names that came into your head when you were thinking up this bat$h!t analogy?


Please feel free to cut and paste from Wikipedia, my wife can score it, she studied the history of art at the OU (she, and everyone else were obviously wasting their time if it's obvious).

.... similarly, by Sal's method, there's never actually been an international class prop forward 'cos none of them had Lockyer's qualities.

I'd go further - if "International class" requires you to be as good a Lockyer (record holder for: International caps, Australian tries, State of Origin appearances, NRL/ARL apperances, Tries scorer for Australia) then there has probably only ever been a handful of international class players

(That I've seen play I'd have to limit the list to say Meninga, Lockyer, Johns, Hanley and Richie Spedding)

Kevin Sinfield really isn't a 6.

No way can Sinfield by attributed for the loss but his kicking was poor tonight and not even the most dedicated of Sinfield fans can argue against that.

Agree wasn't just sinfield who made us lose that game. But the kicking game wasn't great from either of our half backs. There were lots of the England team that didn't Play well but that's sport. Not sinfields best game but by the same token wasn't his fault alone that England lost, as said there were a fair few poor performances

At the end of the day a good kick from deep gains you an extra 5-15 metres when you are defending and tonight that was the only problem with Sinfield, the knock on in the 2nd half was nothing and no one was composed with ball in hand in when in the Aussie 20m zone, Sinfield was like so many tonight, average.

I'd probably go with Graham being our better man tonight.

Australia didn't allow us to play......Enuf Said

You can't play the Aussies on the back foot and that's what happened tonight not enough decent ball and no momentum.

Sinfield didn't kick well but Australia didn't let him. Sinfield had 2-3 defenders up to him everytime he kicked, in comparison Lockyer and Thurston had acres of space, with the defence on the back foot, and could pick there place easily.

Spot on this. Sinny not up to his usual impeccable standards tonight, but virtually the whole team looked off the pace they set earlier in the comp.....or maybe the Aussies just stepped up a gear or two.

I think they showed last night how far ahead of us they are in quality terms - as with the Packers it is great to see how the best play the game. They do the simple basic stuff so well the second man attacking plays are so precise it is a joy to watch - we looked like a cat in the headlights every time they put that play on.

The Aussies were simply too quick too strong and too good - they made players like Tomkins look distinctly average and the less said about Briscoe the better. Hopefully this will put an end to the Chase experiment he was atrocious. Bring on Lomax and Gaskill stick with them and they will deliver long term.

On the England front Sinfield played as well as he was allowed he didn't kick well but that was to be expected this isn't SL.

I agree with all of the above.

I'd also start to look at bringning in younger replacements for Morley who has looked a shadow of his fomer self this tournament and perhaps even Peacock.

Sal /G agree completely once they went through the gears we had no answers.
G spot on RE-JP and Moz but i do fear they'll both be "available" until they are 50 and doubt the coach has the nadgers to drop either.
I do think with Reed ,Hall ,Roby and at time Tomkins we have some real international potential just not enough yet.