Agreed but that is purely hypothetical because Burrow did touch it when he made a play for it, hence Wigan's scrum.

Quote: nohalfbacks "Tomkins was not in play. It is Charnley we are talking about and he was not offside as your photo clearly shows. So it is very relevant who it came off and the officials got it absolutely right.'" Joel Tomkins, the person to the left of Charnley is not infont of the kicker in that photo? Really? And he was in play as the rules state he has to give 10 yards Look here he is within the 10 i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x43 ... ffside.png And just incase you think he might not be offside because of the camera angle, you can see Joels feet are pretty much on the back of "0" of the 30, so if we draw a line from that 30 to other 30 it will give us a line the kicker would need to be infront i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x43 ... fside1.png

Quote: nohalfbacks "Tomkins was not in play. It is Charnley we are talking about and he was not offside as your photo clearly shows. So it is very relevant who it came off and the officials got it absolutely right.'" Joel Tomkins, the person to the left of Charnley is not infont of the kicker in that photo? Really? And he was in play as the rules state he has to give 10 yards Look here he is within the 10 i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x43 ... ffside.png And just incase you think he might not be offside because of the camera angle, you can see Joels feet are pretty much on the back of "0" of the 30, so if we draw a line from that 30 to other 30 it will give us a line the kicker would need to be infront i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x43 ... fside1.png

The ball hit him off Burrow but he clearly wasn't trying to play at the ball at that point. He is clearly trying to avoid contact. Hence the officials got it spot on. Well done to them for a split second decision.

still got the offside wrong, see above

I think you will find it does make him offside, the rules clearly state he can not be within 10 from the player getting the ball (Burrow in this case), copy and pasted from the rugby laws on the RFL website

"An off side player shall not take any part in the game
or attempt in any way to influence the course of the
game. He shall not encroach within ten metres of an
opponent who is waiting for the ball...."

Yeah true I didn't understand why that wasn't given

The Wigan fans that have said Rob Burrow made a play at the ball need to take off their cherry and white tinted specs and watch it again, Burrow doesn't make any play at the ball, he looks like he slipped or lost his balance when CHARNLEY made an attempt to kick the ball which he missed then the ball accidentally brushes off Burrow's legs while he is on the ground and onto Charnley.

Charnley was the only one to make a play at the ball with his attmpted kick, he then becomes live in that play having tried to play the ball, the ball goes off him last a "Live" player in that play so in my opinion it should be a Leeds ball at the scrum as Burrow made no play at the ball.

Regardless of it going off Burrow accidentally he makes no play at the ball, it wasn't a 40/20 so it should be Leeds ball on that basis alone even though Charnley played at the ball and it came off him last.

He was not encroaching on a player waiting for the ball. He presence had no bearing whatsover on Burrow's play at the ball whereas Josh Charnley did and he was not offside as shown clearly in your photo.

We can continue to argue the techicalities and the rights and wrongs of officialdom...or we can accept it's game over and move onstill win the game at some other point in the match. Leeds blew it really in the first twenty mins....if we hadn't been so far behind the team might not have 'pushed' its successful offload game; if BJB had scored that try Wigan might have responded three-fold. We'll simply never know.

I'm now hoping Leeds will carry on their Wigan opposition form and perform well in the play offs.

The first line was "An off side player shall not take any part in the game
or attempt in any way to influence the course of the
game."

Running after a kick is not taking part in the game? The fact is with a Kick a player who is offside has to be 10 meters from the ball, he is only on side when:

"laced onside 3. An off side player is placed onside if:

(a) an opponent moves ten metres or more with the ball.

(b) an opponent touches the ball without retaining it.

(c) one of his own team in possession of the ball runs in front of him.

(d) one of his own team kicks or knocks the ball forward and takes up a position in front of him in the field of play.

(e) he retires behind the point where the ball was last touched by one of his own team."

Which happened ((b)) but he was within the 10 when it happened, in the past trys have been chalked off because players have been in front of the kicker, chased it down, been within the 10 when their team mate got it and scored even if they dont get involved in the play because ""An off side player shall not take any part in the game
or attempt in any way to influence the course of the
game.""

But you are not doing the latter because you are perpetuating the dabate over the forward pass for Lima's try. Yes it was a forward pass but you can't blame the ref. for the subsequent inept tackling from Leeds that let Lima score.
The Wigan scrum would have been a travesty had the ref. not got it right. Have you not been following the thread?
Instead of trying to find technicalities or trying to blame the ref you need to accept that Leeds just came short with their own chances. Had Jones-Bishop made a better attempt at beating the last line of defence (as Joel Tomkins did) in the closing minutes then Leeds would have won the game. The result was very close and we should be concentrating on the good play from both sides in what was one of the best CC finals in recents years. Leeds played well and have much to look forward to in the play-offs where they are capable of making an impact.

You need to take off your anti Wigan specs me thinks! I have watched the incident several times and looked at it from both sides. Bear in mind that I initially thought Leeds were hard done to despite you thinking I am wearing Wigan tinted specs. Burrow clearly makes a play at the ball in an attempt to stop Charnley kicking through to score. Charnley did make a play at the ball initially but missed which obviously doesn't count. The fact that it goes off him last is irrelevant as he is not making a play at the ball at that point. You clearly don't understand the rule.

As I stated it's all irrelevant now....

Now that the emotions have dissipated I accept the result after a great game based on the fact that Leeds put up a fight to be proud of, but Wigan were the better team and on reflection deserved to win. Just a pity Sam Tomkins had to be on the winning side

There's no way Burrow slips, he dives for the ball. The tinted specs are all yours mate. The only play Charnley makes at the ball misses! And what's all this "he becomes live in that play"? Two players could be contesting a ball, thus "live" according to you, and one grabs the ball and bounces it off the other into touch. Does the player who touched it last concede the scrum?