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Quote: Omar Little "We need to be more consistent between how we ref with and without the Video Ref...in a non-sky game that's a try 100% of the time - it's not like McGuire dropped the ball then reacted by trying to kick it, he went for the kick, Tomkins knocked him slightly and screwed his timing by a tiny tiny margin and now it's a knock on because the cameras were present...hmmm

Interestingly the RFL official glossary defines a knock on as "to knock the ball towards the opponent's dead ball line with hand or arm" (On that basis McGuire didn't knock the ball anywhere)

The definition of a kick is "imparting motion to the ball with any part of the leg (except the heel) from the knee to toe inclusive" (no requirement for it to be volleyed)'"

The fact Ganson needed to take two minutes to decide should have told what the obvious answer was. I think its clear he got caught up in answering Aliberts question (did it touch the floor before he kicked it) rather than applying the rules. Thats just poor thinking and should have been trained out of him by Cummings very easily and very quickly.

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The McGuire one shouldn't even be being discussed - clear knock on. Never a half volley in a million years.

I personally think R.Hicks and Co. will get a seeing to by Cummins over the forward pass, but every game has it's fair share of forward passes and we've often been the beneficiary.

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Alibert for me has gone from an inept clown to one of the best in Superleague, still not a high standard granted but he's improved non the less.

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Quote: kirkstaller "The McGuire one shouldn't even be being discussed - clear knock on. Never a half volley in a million years.

I personally think R.Hicks and Co. will get a seeing to by Cummins over the forward pass, but every game has it's fair share of forward passes and we've often been the beneficiary.'"

If that was a knock on, we have a rule in SL which is literally impossible to adhere to.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "If that was a knock on, we have a rule in SL which is literally impossible to adhere to.'"


Which rule is that?

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Quote: Ferdy "What does "we have a tough bunch here and sometimes you have to dust off the steel" mean?'"


Maybe that grunt, effort and hard work is all good but it also needs to be polished with some smart play and decisions. Clutching at more straws and trying to hang McDermott with his everyword. I thought he spoke well as he often does, you carry on though I know who I think sound like the clueless ones

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Quote: kirkstaller "The McGuire one shouldn't even be being discussed - clear knock on. Never a half volley in a million years.

I personally think R.Hicks and Co. will get a seeing to by Cummins over the forward pass, but every game has it's fair share of forward passes and we've often been the beneficiary.'"

Let's not kid ourselves refs and officials can get away with very bad games without any come back at all. All cummins will do is make excuses for them. Managers are scared to say anything against them as all that happens, even if they are right is a fine

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Quote: kirkstaller "Which rule is that?'"

The drop kick rule. The idea that the ball can be kicked at the exact moment it hits the floor rests only on the level of minutiae we are prepared to measure it to. As that level is undefined it is simply impossible to rule on and as such impossible to adhere to.

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Quote: Ferdy "Let's not kid ourselves refs and officials can get away with very bad games without any come back at all. All cummins will do is make excuses for them. Managers are scared to say anything against them as all that happens, even if they are right is a fine'"


I know from experience that officials can and will be reprimanded for big mistakes, especially those made in front of the SKY cameras.

Like I said in another thread, I don't want to dwell on that incident because in the context of our season it does not matter a jot.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "The drop kick rule. The idea that the ball can be kicked at the exact moment it hits the floor rests only on the level of minutiae we are prepared to measure it to. As that level is undefined it is simply impossible to rule on and as such impossible to adhere to.'"


McGuire's was nowhere near simultaneous and Ganson exercised his discretion correctly.

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Quote: Seth "Maybe that grunt, effort and hard work is all good but it also needs to be polished with some smart play and decisions. Clutching at more straws and trying to hang McDermott with his everyword. I thought he spoke well as he often does, you carry on though I know who I think sound like the clueless ones'"

I personally think you are cluching at straws and clueless if you think that's what he means. And regulary speaks well???

Are you Brian mcdounuts missus?

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Quote: kirkstaller "I know from experience that officials can and will be reprimanded for big mistakes, especially those made in front of the SKY cameras.

Like I said in another thread, I don't want to dwell on that incident because in the context of our season it does not matter a jot.'"


I fully agree there but I do think it asks a lot of questions about how we are/should be using the video ref...what if it had been a grand final?!?

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Quote: kirkstaller "I know from experience that officials can and will be reprimanded for big mistakes, especially those made in front of the SKY cameras.

Like I said in another thread, I don't want to dwell on that incident because in the context of our season it does not matter a jot.'"

Fair enough being a ref you will know better than me and most of us on here.

I agree don't think the decision matters particulary in our season. But from the outside looking in there seems to be no consequence to poor performances from refs and officials

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Quote: SmokeyTA "The drop kick rule. The idea that the ball can be kicked at the exact moment it hits the floor rests only on the level of minutiae we are prepared to measure it to. As that level is undefined it is simply impossible to rule on and as such impossible to adhere to.'"


One thing's for sure - all captains should be politely asking the ref to go to the video in the event of an important drop goal in a televised game!

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Quote: Omar Little "I fully agree there but I do think it asks a lot of questions about how we are/should be using the video ref...what if it had been a grand final?!?'"


I agree, it is a funny procedure.

It's interesting that the VR doesn't look at forward passes because the cameras give angles which can give a warped perspective of the play, yet the RFL are happy to go with a TJ's 'warped perspective'. IMO if we can judge a knock on with a camera we can also judge forward passes.

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