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| Quote: Seth "Not just a response to Leeds current form but BM is not the best coach out there, nice guy and everyones friend but beyond that i've not been enthused'"
How would you rate McClennan to Smith?
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| Quote: Blue 'n Amber "How would you rate McClennan to Smith?'"
Not asked to me I know.
But I have a feeling that just as Smith's time to end had come, I think McLennan's might be coming too.
Some of these players IMO need a complete change at the club if they are to rediscover some of their vigour.
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| Quote: Gotcha "Not asked to me I know.
But I have a feeling that just as Smith's time to end had come, I think McLennan's as too.
Some of these players IMO need a complete change at the club if they are to rediscover some of their vigour.'"
You think? Is McClennan no more than an antipodean John Kear?
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| Quote: Blue 'n Amber "You think? Is McClennan no more than an antipodean John Kear?'"
It's actually a good point Danny. But no I think McClennan is better than that. But I do think he needs players at the top of their game, hence why he was such a good international coach. And he still had players at the top of their game here at Leeds. But personally as the players are losing some of that hunger or vigour, he appears to be struggling to get the best out of them. Only time will tell I suppose.
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| Quote: Gotcha "It's actually a good point Danny. But no I think McClennan is better than that. But I do think he needs players at the top of their game, hence why he was such a good international coach. And he still had players at the top of their game here at Leeds. But personally as the players are losing some of that hunger or vigour, he appears to be struggling to get the best out of them. Only time will tell I suppose.'"
My point was shamelessly stolen from someone else but I liked it.
I'm still not worried. There is more than enough quality still in this team to mount a serious end of season challenge.
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| Quote: Blue 'n Amber "My point was shamelessly stolen from someone else but I liked it.
Not dissagreeing with that. My thoughts were more on next season and beyond rather than this.
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| Quote: Gotcha "Not dissagreeing with that. My thoughts were more on next season and beyond rather than this.'"
What are your thoughts on Mick Potter?
He's been brought in to do a specific job at Saints and despite their fans bleatings I think he's managing it well.
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| Quote: Blue 'n Amber "How would you rate McClennan to Smith?'"
Different type of coach. From being in both their company I found TS compelling to listen to and talk to, BM seems like a really nice guy but not as assured in his knowledge. Of course I could be wrong but it's the impression I get
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| Quote: Blue 'n Amber "What are your thoughts on Mick Potter?
He's been brought in to do a specific job at Saints and despite their fans bleatings I think he's managing it well.'"
I think he is doing a better job than given credit for. He took over an ageing squad with a smaller squad than leeds, and still got them more than competing. But again, I don't think he could take Saints to their previous levels.
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| Quote: Gotcha "I think he is doing a better job than given credit for. He took over an ageing squad with a smaller squad than leeds, and still got them more than competing. But again, I don't think he could take Saints to their previous levels.'"
He was brought in to rebuild the squad. I think that's as far as it goes.
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| Quote: Seth "Different type of coach. From being in both their company I found TS compelling to listen to and talk to, BM seems like a really nice guy but not as assured in his knowledge. Of course I could be wrong but it's the impression I get'"
Never spoke to either at great lengths but I get the impression Smith is attention to detail and McClennan is motivational. I may be wrong, that's just the impression I get. Of course, no coach can be 'just motivational', there has to be something else there to get back to back titles.
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| Quote: Blue 'n Amber "Never spoke to either at great lengths but I get the impression Smith is attention to detail and McClennan is motivational. I may be wrong, that's just the impression I get. Of course, no coach can be 'just motivational', there has to be something else there to get back to back titles.'"
I'd go along with that,i'd also add that our discipline seems worse under BM than TS during the earlier months of the season.
Saying that he's got us ready for "the big one" twice in a row which TS never did not that i'm bagging TS.
It's generally accepted that it's harder to "retain" a title than it is to win one especially when all the opposition are strengthening and improving year on year.
This could be a pivotal year in that we could lose some very pivotal players who have played massive roles in our success the likes of Senior,Ali and Donald plus the expected departure of Buderus will free up some serious cap money.
We've re-signed Smithy which is a great move imo but the others are no nearer to re-signing or been replaced to our knowledge at least.
This could be one of the biggest player turn arounds we've had in the last few yrs and could prove interesting and challenging to the coach.
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| Quote: rhinoms "This could be one of the biggest player turn arounds we've had in the last few yrs and could prove interesting and challenging to the coach.'"
I think that could be to his benefit rather than anything else. If I was coach I would have wished for a couple more out of contract.
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| Quote: Gotcha "I think that could be to his benefit rather than anything else. If I was coach I would have wished for a couple more out of contract.'"
A complete over-haul then?
How many would you let go and who would you target as replacements?
Iirc we have Disko,Bailey,Ali,Senior,Donald,Buderus all OOC at the end of the season all who started the season as 1st choice 17 players who else would you want to release because as i see it that's a big turn around already even if a couple stay.
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| Quote: rhinoms "A complete over-haul then?
How many would you let go and who would you target as replacements?
Iirc we have Disko,Bailey,Ali,Senior,Donald,Buderus all OOC at the end of the season all who started the season as 1st choice 17 players who else would you want to release because as i see it that's a big turn around already even if a couple stay.'"
Not necessarily a complete over haul. Is Diskin really out of contract at the end of the season?
The coach as to work with the contracts he's got. Its' people under contract that are his problem.
Out of those you have to let Donald, Senior and Buderus go. In an ideal world and you were confident of Buderus producing you would give him another year and let Diskin go. But whatever, the first 3 gives us a lot of cap space to play with.
In hindsight though we should have been in a position to let Kirke, Kylie, and possibly Webb go too. I would certainly let Kirke and Kylie go and bring in a quality prop.
I still think this team could be absolute world beaters with a quality half back to partner Danny, whether that is a scrum half or stand off. With the cap space created we could do that, but we have Burrow holding up the position.
I don't think Watkins will be ready for next season, and for the life of me don't want to see Senior for another year, so something needs to be planned there.
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