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Quote: Serge A. Storms "I am not sure what else Smith could do I would go with the following

1. Owen
2. Shenton
3. Ellis
4. Smith
5. Hall
6. Sinfield
7. McGuire
8. Morley
9. Diskin
10.Graham
11.Gilmour
12.Peacock
13.Burgess

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15.Roby
16.Eastmond
17.Crabtree

I personally would not have Tomkins anywhere near this side - I think the Aussies will destroy him tomorrow - this is the big league.

We will not beat the Aussies by free flowing rugby the only chance we have is to control their forward motion and beat them in a tight game.

To do that we will have to defend like the Kiwis did last week hence Ellis and Gilmour to defend on either side

We need a boring structured attack hence Sinfield at 6

Pity Owen isn't selected for me he is the most exciting young player in SL.'"


There's a lot of merit in what you say in this post and I agree that Owen has to be a future England full back. But in reality that team isn't massively different from the one that will be playing on Saturday.

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Quote: rhinoms "C'mon then "uber coach" lets hear your wisdom!!
P.s Don't forget you are way down with damo in the credabillity stakes!!'"


Smith
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Senior
Price
Fox
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Graham
Peacock
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Burgess

Roby
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Bailey
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Quote: Richie Ramrod "Smith
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Senior
Price
Fox
Tompkins
Eastmond
Morley
Diskin
Graham
Peacock
Ellis
Burgess

Roby
McGuire
Bailey
Carvell.'"


Bench too light. No such player as price. Bailey icon_lol.gif

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Quote: rhinoms "So you think myler has been the form 7 this year over burrow and Brough or deserved his start before Tompkins??
Shenton should be picked over Senior or even Gilmour??
Sykes i won't even go into this one it speaks for itself if he's picking on form then he shouldn't be there.
He stated re-Brough that he wouldn't be interested in players that switch"countries" yet he selected ireland pair Harrison and Bridge.
The club bias accusation clearly comes from the Myler selection over Tompkins and Burrow who on form are clearly ahead of Myler.
I'll be more than happy if England win and prove nearly everyone wrong but when a coach states himself he's picking "on form" and for the "future" then selects the squad he has then criticism and differing opinion on that squad is warranted nd expected.'"


Brough isn't eligable. Shenton is the form centre in SL after Senior (who's 33 by the way). I don't agree with Myler's selection over Burrow's but I can understand it. ATEOTD barring the odd selection Smith has picked the best squad he can with the players he has available. I think Smith knows that England arn't in a position to win any tournament and he probably sees it as his job to try a build a side capable of winning major tournements in the future. Why can't people just give the guy a chance.

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Quote: Richie Ramrod "Smith
Hall
Senior
Price
Fox
Tompkins
Eastmond
Morley
Diskin
Graham
Peacock
Ellis
Burgess

Roby
McGuire
Bailey
Carvell.'"

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Is this the same Diskin you've dismissed as past it and cr#p all year???
Re-Eastmond how many games has he started at 7 at SL level and excelled in? so i don't agree he should start at 7 for england
I actually think Smith at FB is good call btw icon_eek.gif
As for Fox,Briscoe "outplayed" him imo and rightly should start.
Again there is an issue with Pryce many fans bang on about him whilst many others myself included don't think he cuts it anymore and hasn't for at laest 2 seasons.
Not a bad squad given who's available but i'd like to hear yer counter reasons other than "you should be drug tested" icon_lol.gif icon_wink.gif

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Quote: leicester_rhino "Bench too light. No such player as price. Bailey
Yikes, spelling mistakes make you laugh, god you must have a thrill ride of a life.

Anyway.........

Plenty of options to rotate the players around that are actually on the park which is always good when facing the likes of Australia and New Zealand.

My side would put 30 points on rhinoms (his looks as dangerous as a water pistol on the streets of Helman Province).

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Interesting that a lot of you would select Diskin over Roby? Any particular reason for that?

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Quote: The Nihilist "Brough isn't eligable. Shenton is the form centre in SL after Senior (who's 33 by the way). I don't agree with Myler's selection over Burrow's but I can understand it. ATEOTD barring the odd selection Smith has picked the best squad he can with the players he has available. I think Smith knows that England arn't in a position to win any tournament and he probably sees it as his job to try a build a side capable of winning major tournements in the future. Why can't people just give the guy a chance.'"

I'm more than happy to give him a chance but didn't he get that at the WC?????
Like i've said more than once i hope i'm proved wrong and believe it or not it's not a TS witch hunt at all.
All i'm saying is that when he makes his statements about form and future etc he contradicts himself with his selection policy.
When things like this happen fans are gonna question it and offer differing opinions and players.
Isn't that what forum is for to offer differing opinions and selections to others???

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Quote: rhinoms "

His is when compared to Buderus however with the shocking quality banging around in SL he is the only option - Roby aint a 80mins hooker and Moore is gash.

Quote: rhinoms "Re-Eastmond how many games has he started at 7 at SL level and excelled in? so i don't agree he should start at 7 for england
I actually think Smith at FB is good call btw icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Richie Ramrod "Yikes, spelling mistakes make you laugh, god you must have a thrill ride of a life.

Anyway.........

Plenty of options to rotate the players around that are actually on the park which is always good when facing the likes of Australia and New Zealand.

My side would put 30 points on rhinoms (his looks as dangerous as a water pistol on the streets of Helman Province).'"

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You've given yourself a 12 man starting team as it is with the invisible man in the centre!!
ATEOD richie i guess we'll never know but i do expect a defeat tmw and the class of the aussie backs to be the deciding factor.

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If I was coach we would win, as it is I expect a 28 - 12 defeat and a bit of pride for at least having a dig.

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Quote: Saddened! "Interesting that a lot of you would select Diskin over Roby? Any particular reason for that?'"
Don't mistake Ramrod and Serge as a lot of us or even class them as representative of the sane amongst us.

Having said that whilst I personally wouldn't select Diskin over Roby I'd select him over many others. The argument for selecting him over Roby being that Roby has always enjoyed the luxury of coming off the bench and running at fatigued players and his game was stifled somewhat this year with Saints slower PTBs.

That said I think Roby has always shown up well against the Antipodeans and I would select him.

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Quote: Saddened! "Interesting that a lot of you would select Diskin over Roby? Any particular reason for that?'"


At the moment I probably wouldn't.

However, from the games I've seen Roby hasn't really stood out for Saints this year. He's obviously making less of an impact with the new rule interpretations making it harder for him to win easy yards by scooting off the back of fast PTBs.

By contrast Diskin was in top form at the end of the season once he was no longer being spelled with Buderus.

IMO both players have recently shown that they are better when played for most of the game. In this respect the continued presence of Cunningham and Buderus at both clubs is stunting their respective development. But ultimately, it would be highly risky for both clubs to only have one hooker. It will be interesting to see how Roby gets on with Moore and Cunningham to battle it out with.

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Quote: rhinoms "I'm more than happy to give him a chance but didn't he get that at the WC?????
Like i've said more than once i hope i'm proved wrong and believe it or not it's not a TS witch hunt at all.
All i'm saying is that when he makes his statements about form and future etc he contradicts himself with his selection policy.
When things like this happen fans are gonna question it and offer differing opinions and players.
Isn't that what forum is for to offer differing opinions and selections to others???'"


He's picked mainly on form (Myler over Burrow aside). Who do you think is in the squad that shouldn't be and who would you say isn't in the squad who deserves to be?

England as a collective were poor and Smith has to take a large propotion of the blame, but the year before that he coached England to their first series win in 20 years and as a club coach has helped Warrington to their first trophy in an age. Now I'm not saying he's perfect but he's probably the best coach England could have at this point in time.

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Quote: The Nihilist "He's picked mainly on form (Myler over Burrow aside). Who do you think is in the squad that shouldn't be and who would you say isn't in the squad who deserves to be?

England as a collective were poor and Smith has to take a large propotion of the blame, but the year before that he coached England to their first series win in 20 years and as a club coach has helped Warrington to their first trophy in an age. Now I'm not saying he's perfect but he's probably the best coach England could have at this point in time.'"

Senior,burrow,Gilmour,Mccarthy Scarsbrook and Owen Should be in imo.
Sykes,Bridge,Myler,Westwood and wilkin out.

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