Gouge? The thing where he put his hand in his face? I agree you shouldn't raise your hand like that but come on, gouge?

It's right up there with Seggys 'shoulder charge'. It's getting ridiculous.

It was completely unnecessary from Ablett and he should definitely be charged for it but I'd struggle to call it a gouge, even the most incriminating stills of the incident don't show any fingers in Greenwood's eyes. Ablett does need to get a grip though, a few years ago he was a master of winding up the opposition while staying calm and we reaped the rewards but now he's the one losing his cool and giving away stupid penalties.

He won a penatly in this incident.

Greenwood put his forearm into Ablett's face, Ablett tries to push Geenwood in the face......the definition of handbags and ONLY brought up because fans of rival clubs are unhappy about their players getting done for something and trying to find something on other clubs players.

Would completely highlight the ridiculousness of our sport at the moment if either that or the Segeyaro tackle got the same ban as Tautai's tackle......but I wouldn't be surprised if they do.

And earlier in the year he gave away a penalty against Cas whilst we were in possession after a break that had Cas scrambling to get back.

As I said it definitely wasn't a gouge but it wasn't needed and could see him getting pulled up in front of the disciplinary. We're in agreement about the ridiculousness of the punishment for Tautai. If Green hadn't got injured no one would be mentioning Segeyaro's challenge as anything other than awesome.

If they charge Segs with a shoulder charge then his ban may be longer than Tautai's if they take into account the injury he caused which looked serious. Then we'd be in trouble as Lilley looks to be out too.

Totally failing to mention the knee from Ablett that started the whole incident off.

For what it is worth I don't think it was a gouge, but he defiantly targeted Greenwoods eyes with his fingers not only once, but twice when his hand was knocked down.

I also agree that the Tautai penalty reduction is ridiculous what message does that send out, it has always been the same with the RFL, if a team have a big game coming up like a final or a semi you cab guarantee they will do their upmost to ensure they play.

Yeah he cops a knee from an attacker fighting to get up and the defender hanging around, it happens a lot you get that or an elbow.

How can you tell he definitely targeted his eyes btw? If you're going to push someone away in the face you're fingers will be around that region.

Like I said, just handbags that a Wigan fan wants to make more of because of the Tautai issue. If that didn't happen last week you wouldn't be on this board right now trying to make something out of a spat between Ablett and Greenwood. Given its the derby game tonight I'm sure we'll see plenty of similar coming togethers from Wigan and Saints.

He didn't cop an accidental knee, Ablett knew full well what he was doing. If you push someone you do so with the palm of your hand. You do not lead with your fingers. If it had happened once you could maybe think it was an accident in the heat of the moment trying to push him away. The fact that Greenwood pushes his hand away and he goes straight back there leading with his fingers first to me shows he knew what he was doing.

You have an interesting perspective of the incident given you are calling other our out. Ignoring the knee, claiming it was a push to the face. I could turn around and say Tautai hit the thigh then slid to the knee. Even if that was the case it was still a dangerous tackle with poor technique. He deserved 2 games a pro player should know not to go in like that, just like a player at any level should know not to be putting your fingers near any players eyes.

Funny own is all on Ablett, given the penalty was awarded for Greenwood pushing his head into Ablett's head on the floor. Followed when they were standing up Greenwood is the one who leans in first for their head to head rubbing and then puts his forearm into Ablett's face.

This clearly then sets a president in our great game. The first time ever a player has retaliated and been penalised. Jesus!

So Greenwood sticks his head in first and Ablett gives him knees back and it's all Ablett's fault.....LOL your agenda being bitter about the Tautai incident is embarrassing.

Ablett knees him on the floor in the tackle. The stuff that follows is a direct result of that. It is good to see from this thread not all Leeds fans have as much "selective" vision as you.

P.S. Lol? Are you a 13 year old girl?

Quote: jonh "Ablett knees him on the floor in the tackle. The stuff that follows is a direct result of that. It is good to see from this thread not all Leeds fans have as much "selective" vision as you. P.S. Lol? Are you a 13 year old girl?'" Greenwood puts his head in on Ablett ON THE FLOOR before the knees start, he then does it again standing up. Clear now Einstein? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=klNn_u_iKhc Pause the video at 8:32 and you see clearly Greenwood sticking his head in on Ablett on the floor

Quote: jonh "Ablett knees him on the floor in the tackle. The stuff that follows is a direct result of that. It is good to see from this thread not all Leeds fans have as much "selective" vision as you. P.S. Lol? Are you a 13 year old girl?'" Greenwood puts his head in on Ablett ON THE FLOOR before the knees start, he then does it again standing up. Clear now Einstein? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=klNn_u_iKhc Pause the video at 8:32 and you see clearly Greenwood sticking his head in on Ablett on the floor

Whoops. Let yourself go there john, the screen slips and your true agenda shines through. Is that a picture of you in your avatar?

Oh........come on Sts.