7 grand finals 2 challenge cup wins and 1 bad season. It's time to do the maths and give McDermott a break. Mind you some of the big stars need to ask if they have been giving it all this season. Hall, Watkins have been well below par

McDermott has not got us to 7 Grand Finals. You might want to check that Maths book. One bad season?

Yes because remember Sinfield and Peacock were coaching all the other years......or were they only coaching when we won things?

I think he has been given a chance and things are dire, stale and need freshening up. The treble is history he isn't cutting the mustard anymore if he gets given another season it's just putting us further behind. We can't just keep a failing mgr on just because he did well in the past.

Regarding squad some decisions need to be made, lilley is looking like he has a future at the club, handley has taken his chance and I would argue Golding, but we need to re evaluate the SO position for when mags goes as sutty doesn't look anywhere near good enough, and our hooking option is dire

Phoenix from the ashes, next season will be stunning. In the meantime I'm starting to look forward to Batley et al.

7 grand finals - Smith won two and McClennan 2 so how many has he won one more than the other two!!

Time to either change the coach or the players - not sure I would want my top youngsters anywhere near his coaching.

The most worrying aspect in all this is that it doesn't even look like the team are any closer of getting out of the rut than they did 2 months ago.

I tend to agree. Every time there is the suggestion of movement in the right direction [and as other threads document there are lots of things to be fixed] the next week any progress and good work seems to be undone. One step forward two steps backward. I think Peter Smith’s report in the YEP of the Huddersfield game is interesting in the line it takes. The back page headline reads “Mac Is Defiant” and documents how the team “Couldn’t train or try harder”. The actual match report leads with “ Spirit is not enough. Leeds played with their hearts……………………but not their heads”. Smith views the defeat as the most depressing of the season – I must say I found listening to the match once Keinhorst had scored the first try, with the penalties & the dissent pretty disheartening. Smith ends by commenting that the “Rhinos fans, who made up the majority of a poor crowd, deserved better”. If YEP coverage is taken as a general barometer of how Leeds are viewed by the wider fan base there’s a bit of a shift here. We have to take the rough with the smooth and we have had plenty of good times, plenty of close wins, plenty of trophies a golden age. That had to come to an end at some point, which it certainly has for this season. However, looking at Castleford’s performance today – half a team out no recognised half back’s at all. Well we should be doing better with what we have got.

McDermott said both before and after the first Huddersfield defeat that Leeds were going OK. He accepted people would disagree with his assessment - I think that was the bit he got right.

Nobody expected a repeat of the last few successful seasons,, but no one expected to see the dire performances we have seen this season. The last 2 games against a poor Huddersfield team have seen us go further backwards and have shown how little influence the coach is having on the team.
A mid table position would have been entirely acceptable this season , but what we have seen is not.
As said, Cas played today misssing 6 or 7 first teamers including both half backs , but they still had a structure ,planned moves , and an effective kicking game. We have none of these - the coach carries the can - time to go - NOW !!

Do they though?
Why?
Turning up and sitting there whinging even before kickoff (yes I was there before the attention seeker and his lap dog pipe up)?

Why exactly do Leeds fans deserve better?

Why exactly DON'T Leeds players/coaches/owners deserve better than the speaking of them like you've stepped in dog sh*t 'respect' they're getting after the success THEY'VE won that you could celebrate despite you never having made a single tackle, scored a try or kicked a goal???

Stupid sports mentality I've never understood....

People who actually achieved the success can become villains in just a few games???

People who just sit in the stands are always great because they clap and sing when it's great but slag the team off as soon as it doesn't look all roses???

Will be ripped for this I'm sure but the theory that fans are without criticism and always need to be praised is b*ll*cks just to make the average Joe feel like they've achieved something when they didn't actually do naff all.

People keep saying this but I know that if we were 6th/7th they'd still be the usual miserable b*st*rds whining like an 8 year old girl who didn't get the pony she asked for for Xmas that we weren't at the top.

You make an interesting point.

Without the supporters you don't have a game and the players would be doing something else.

All supporters want is that their team plays to its potential i.e. they get value for money. Let's face it if you buy a car you expect it to be able going forward and backwards etc.

I don't think any supporter expects Leeds to win trophies every year - I went to my first game in 1968 so I have seen the ups and the downs - but I don think the supporters deserve the team to perform to a reasonable standard and at least be able to do the basics to a competent level.

Even you most agree that is not happening at the moment.

I think you are wrong I think most would accept 6/7th - what they can't accept is the quality of the performances. Nobody minds getting beat by a better side - what p1sses people off is elite athletes not being able tackle, pass and catch. People work hard for their money the least they can expect is if the team gets beat do it with a bit of honour knowing they have give it everything - that is not happening at the moment.

You talk a load of Bull Printer , yes supporters will moan but the Leeds fans in general and especially on Friday have been fantastic and even when the game was lost kept backing the side right to the end . No one expected miracles this season but despite the obvious problems the performances have been dire .