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Quote: KaeruJim "Would you like to explain how anyone does more than their best? Many of you are psychologically task/results focused and that’s fine, but then we resort to magical “win at all costs” mantras without having the understanding of how to get there.'"


You've totally missed the point Jim.
I'm not saying he should do better than his best.
I'm saying if that is his best, then he is not good enough.

The mentality we now have in schools and at grass roots level in sport in this country has been diluted over the last few years.
Winning is less important, taking part and "doing your best" is what kids are taught.
I always feared that this would work it's way into elite sport and that's what the original post suggests.
Like I say, that is not the mentality in Australian sport and that is why they are streets ahead of us in many sports, despite a massive population difference.

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Quote: KaeruJim "Would you like to explain how anyone does more than their best? Many of you are psychologically task/results focused and that’s fine, but then we resort to magical “win at all costs” mantras without having the understanding of how to get there.'"

Certainly our coach along with his back room staff don’t know how to get there .

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Quote: Simmo71 "You've totally missed the point Jim.
I'm not saying he should do better than his best.
I'm saying if that is his best, then he is not good enough.

The mentality we now have in schools and at grass roots level in sport in this country has been diluted over the last few years.
Winning is less important, taking part and "doing your best" is what kids are taught.
I always feared that this would work it's way into elite sport and that's what the original post suggests.
Like I say, that is not the mentality in Australian sport and that is why they are streets ahead of us in many sports, despite a massive population difference.'"

Maybe that’s how sport should be played though? In its essence….
My old football coach used to say things like ‘you can throw your runners up medal in the canal’
We all missed out on a lot of love for the game….

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Quote: Simmo71 "You've totally missed the point Jim.
I'm not saying he should do better than his best.
I'm saying if that is his best, then he is not good enough.

The mentality we now have in schools and at grass roots level in sport in this country has been diluted over the last few years.
Winning is less important, taking part and "doing your best" is what kids are taught.
I always feared that this would work it's way into elite sport and that's what the original post suggests.
Like I say, that is not the mentality in Australian sport and that is why they are streets ahead of us in many sports, despite a massive population difference.'"

Maybe that’s how sport should be played though? In its essence….
My old football coach used to say things like ‘you can throw your runners up medal in the canal’
We all missed out on a lot of love for the game….

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bull as usual shabs

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Quote: tad rhino "bull as usual shabs'"

Ha , sure. Look at the cohort of biggest whingers on here. Generally middled aged- older blokes who were all brought up with the same mentality to sport. Do you think constantly asking for people to loose their jobs makes people happy?

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Quote: Simmo71 "You've totally missed the point Jim.
I'm not saying he should do better than his best.
I'm saying if that is his best, then he is not good enough.

The mentality we now have in schools and at grass roots level in sport in this country has been diluted over the last few years.
Winning is less important, taking part and "doing your best" is what kids are taught.
I always feared that this would work it's way into elite sport and that's what the original post suggests.
Like I say, that is not the mentality in Australian sport and that is why they are streets ahead of us in many sports, despite a massive population difference.'"


Having the culture and structures in place to enable all of the playing staff (and others) to give of their best is one of the foundations of the very best elite clubs in all sports. Whether that best is good enough is another question, but if not then the nature of elite sport means they need to be moved on. That's where the coaching team earn their corn. Doing your best, in and of itself, isn't, or shouldn't be, enough to cut it.

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if I did my job as badly as smith does his id be gone.

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Nobody is saying that mediocrity is good enough for an elite rugby club like Leeds. Having a go at players is not the answer though.

Have a guess at what players and coaches actually think of fans who have never played the game professionally but give them abuse. I’ll give you a clue: it isn’t “this guy is completely right, what have I been thinking all these years?”

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Quote: KaeruJim "Nobody is saying that mediocrity is good enough for an elite rugby club like Leeds. Having a go at players is not the answer though.

Have a guess at what players and coaches actually think of fans who have never played the game professionally but give them abuse. I’ll give you a clue
Ha, well said. Just look at the rebuilds at Utd and Chelsea for comparison. And how much have they spent? It’s very difficult to put a great side together. Luck plays a part……..

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I can’t forgive Leeds the crappy signings for nearly ten years now, but we have enough quality coming through the academy now to have some confidence for the years ahead. Some.

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Quote: KaeruJim "I can’t forgive Leeds the crappy signings for nearly ten years now, but we have enough quality coming through the academy now to have some confidence for the years ahead. Some.'"

You can forgive, otherwise you wouldn’t be on here or going to games. They’ve hardly done anything heinous to you!

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Quote: KaeruJim "I can’t forgive Leeds the crappy signings for nearly ten years now, but we have enough quality coming through the academy now to have some confidence for the years ahead. Some.'"


We will always sign some dross, lots of clubs do, ask Saints fans about Phil Adamson…

The thing that worries me more than anything else is do we have the right all round coaching staff (not just first team) to help the undoubtedly talented youth we have to fulfil their potential. That’s bigger than “is the first team coach any good”. Much bigger.

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Quote: Shabino "You can forgive, otherwise you wouldn’t be on here or going to games. They’ve hardly done anything heinous to you!'"

You’re right, I need to let go of my pain.

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There's one big thing in life that never gives you any pleasure or satisfaction, that's a negative attitude !!! You need to see what's good, positive and pleasurable to have satisfaction and contentment, Am I happy when the Rhino's don't win? No, Do I come on here moaning, whinging, whining and asking for heads to roll and getting into bitter non-winable arguments with those that want to apportion blame or criticise a player,coach,management. No !
Instead I look forward to the next game hopeful of a better result, My season ticket for this year is already paid for,I use it whan i want and attend when I can, if I dont consider it value for money 2025's will not get bought, That's reality, not living in Cyber world pretending I have some magical influence over the club !!

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