I’m waiting patiently for Frawley to show us why we have signed him, but it’s getting harder to see what his compelling justification was.

I understand that we shifted a lot of cap, but when I look at some of the players we signed or resigned, I’m left scratching my head. Croft i clearly a great signing, and so is Ackers although I think he’s suffering with a poor rotation at prop. The others frankly I could take or leave so far, and some of them are really flat track bullies.

Would you like to explain how anyone does more than their best? Many of you are psychologically task/results focused and that’s fine, but then we resort to magical “win at all costs” mantras without having the understanding of how to get there.

You've totally missed the point Jim.
I'm not saying he should do better than his best.
I'm saying if that is his best, then he is not good enough.

The mentality we now have in schools and at grass roots level in sport in this country has been diluted over the last few years.
Winning is less important, taking part and "doing your best" is what kids are taught.
I always feared that this would work it's way into elite sport and that's what the original post suggests.
Like I say, that is not the mentality in Australian sport and that is why they are streets ahead of us in many sports, despite a massive population difference.

Certainly our coach along with his back room staff don’t know how to get there .

Maybe that’s how sport should be played though? In its essence….
My old football coach used to say things like ‘you can throw your runners up medal in the canal’
We all missed out on a lot of love for the game….

Maybe that’s how sport should be played though? In its essence….
My old football coach used to say things like ‘you can throw your runners up medal in the canal’
We all missed out on a lot of love for the game….

bull as usual shabs

Ha , sure. Look at the cohort of biggest whingers on here. Generally middled aged- older blokes who were all brought up with the same mentality to sport. Do you think constantly asking for people to loose their jobs makes people happy?

Having the culture and structures in place to enable all of the playing staff (and others) to give of their best is one of the foundations of the very best elite clubs in all sports. Whether that best is good enough is another question, but if not then the nature of elite sport means they need to be moved on. That's where the coaching team earn their corn. Doing your best, in and of itself, isn't, or shouldn't be, enough to cut it.

if I did my job as badly as smith does his id be gone.

Nobody is saying that mediocrity is good enough for an elite rugby club like Leeds. Having a go at players is not the answer though.

Have a guess at what players and coaches actually think of fans who have never played the game professionally but give them abuse. I’ll give you a clue: it isn’t “this guy is completely right, what have I been thinking all these years?”

I can’t forgive Leeds the crappy signings for nearly ten years now, but we have enough quality coming through the academy now to have some confidence for the years ahead. Some.

You can forgive, otherwise you wouldn’t be on here or going to games. They’ve hardly done anything heinous to you!

We will always sign some dross, lots of clubs do, ask Saints fans about Phil Adamson…

The thing that worries me more than anything else is do we have the right all round coaching staff (not just first team) to help the undoubtedly talented youth we have to fulfil their potential. That’s bigger than “is the first team coach any good”. Much bigger.