Great post. I still think Frawley has a role in this team (other than water carrier) but Smith did the right thing to take him out of the firing line. I suspect the moment he visibly had a go at ?Edgell after dropping a kick-off was the moment that did for him. The pressure was evidently getting to him.

Anyway, I hope Frawley has a blinder this afternoon. I wasn't thrilled at the signing either, but what's the point in bagging someone before they have put on the shirt, and every week since. I'm not sure if some fans are capable of seeing the positives in some players unless the team are winning by 20 every week.

Totes agree Exe. If Frawley can’t cut it at Leeds, at the end of the day he will be let go. Most of us don’t work in jobs with this level of scrutiny, not really, and he is clearly trying. We should support any Leeds player as long as they are giving their best every week IMO. If they’re not good enough then the club will (generally) take care of that.

Level of scrutiny?. He is a professional rugby play .

"As long as they are doing their best" is the malaise of mediocrity that is sweeping through schools and grass roots sport in this country.
It's ridiculous.
The Yanks and Aussies do not have that mindset in sport and it shows.

If what Frawley has shown so far really is his best, then he should never play again.
Criticism from fans is a part of professional sport and he should be a professional and use it as motivation to work harder to improve.
I really hope that is the view of Frawley and the club, rather than "well you did your best"
Sorry guys.

Well Frawley keeps letting our hopes down doesn’t he.. awful

I’m waiting patiently for Frawley to show us why we have signed him, but it’s getting harder to see what his compelling justification was.

I understand that we shifted a lot of cap, but when I look at some of the players we signed or resigned, I’m left scratching my head. Croft i clearly a great signing, and so is Ackers although I think he’s suffering with a poor rotation at prop. The others frankly I could take or leave so far, and some of them are really flat track bullies.

Would you like to explain how anyone does more than their best? Many of you are psychologically task/results focused and that’s fine, but then we resort to magical “win at all costs” mantras without having the understanding of how to get there.

You've totally missed the point Jim.
I'm not saying he should do better than his best.
I'm saying if that is his best, then he is not good enough.

The mentality we now have in schools and at grass roots level in sport in this country has been diluted over the last few years.
Winning is less important, taking part and "doing your best" is what kids are taught.
I always feared that this would work it's way into elite sport and that's what the original post suggests.
Like I say, that is not the mentality in Australian sport and that is why they are streets ahead of us in many sports, despite a massive population difference.

Certainly our coach along with his back room staff don’t know how to get there .

Maybe that’s how sport should be played though? In its essence….
My old football coach used to say things like ‘you can throw your runners up medal in the canal’
We all missed out on a lot of love for the game….

Maybe that’s how sport should be played though? In its essence….
My old football coach used to say things like ‘you can throw your runners up medal in the canal’
We all missed out on a lot of love for the game….

bull as usual shabs

Ha , sure. Look at the cohort of biggest whingers on here. Generally middled aged- older blokes who were all brought up with the same mentality to sport. Do you think constantly asking for people to loose their jobs makes people happy?

Having the culture and structures in place to enable all of the playing staff (and others) to give of their best is one of the foundations of the very best elite clubs in all sports. Whether that best is good enough is another question, but if not then the nature of elite sport means they need to be moved on. That's where the coaching team earn their corn. Doing your best, in and of itself, isn't, or shouldn't be, enough to cut it.

if I did my job as badly as smith does his id be gone.